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razor2rosary
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2 years ago

Small Quality of Life request - Wrist/Snap Shots

In the NHL, the wrist shot is easily the most common form of shot. If you go to the NHL stat page, you'll be able to get to a skater tabs for "shots by type" - where you can view how many of each type of shot every skater has registered (both on goal AND scored).

As of today, March 3rd, there are three players in the National Hockey League who have been credited with at least 50 snap shots: Evander Kane, Connor McDavid, and Leon Draisaitl (odd that they're all from Edmonton). All three of these players have more wrist shots on goal than snap shots.

There are 276 skaters in the National Hockey League that have been credited with at least 50 wrist shots. That is 276 as compared to !! THREE !!.

So why is it that the wrist shot is not the easiest form of shot to take in EA NHL? For a while, I thought the action tracker's net chart was broken, refusing to register anything as a wrist shot. However, I realized that the wrist shot is actually not nearly as convenient to preform as the snap shot due to the current control scheme. I thought that the wrist shot required you to hold the puck on your forehand (3/9 o'clock) and roll it up towards 12 (circular motion). That still counts as a snap shot - the wrist shot requires you to hold it even further back. It's by no means difficult to preform, but how is the snap shot made so much more convenient? The AI also rarely fires wrist shots either.

As a quality of life change, something should be done to have this properly reflect real life statistics, preferably an alteration of controls. I'd dare say that the default shot (push right stick up on skill stick) should be the wrist shot. The wrist shot is the most common shot. There are more players with >140 wrist shots than there are with >50 snap shots. Leon Draisaitl has 53 snap shots, David Pastrnak has 193 wrist shots. Those are the leads in their respective categories. I don't need to go further with this.

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  • Interesting post. A couple of things come to mind for me:

    1. First off, I'd say that the way EA NHL does it is more correct in terms of actually executing these shots IRL. I was at the rink yesterday doing a sticks and pucks (or "stick-time for you CA people) session to work specifically on my 3 shot types and it's way quicker/easier to take a quick snapshot than taking a fully loaded wrister. You hold the puck out to your strong side, lean on your inside foot, and snap. In comparison, like in the game, a wrist shot requires you to sweep the puck along the ice for longer and involves weight transfer from your back foot to your front foot. I think the game replicates this fairly well. 
    2. How does the NHL website track these shots? I find it hard to believe that players in the modern NHL are taking full-on wrist shots more often than quick snappers. That said, more and more players have been adopting the Auston Matthews "toe-drag release" shot which is like a hybrid between a snapshot and a wrist shot so if they count those as wrist shots then I guess that could be a reason for the stats being the way they are. 

    I wonder if next year's game will implement a way to do the "Bedard/Matthews" shot in all it's glory. You can doe toe-drag shots now but they're not exactly the same as what these dudes are doing in the show. Anyway, those are my thoughts. 

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    razor2rosary
    New Vanguard
    2 years ago

    Your first point is actually pretty good - something I failed to consider when writing this post, and I'm a former hockey player myself. The controls definitely make sense, it just leaves me wondering how there's such a difference. Snap is the most common in EA NHL, wrist is allegedly the most common irl.

    There's also, of course, scorekeeper error. These shots are tracked by scorekeepers in the arenas, and they're human just like the rest of us. They miss a lot of things - the first game I ever manually shot tracked (as a personal project, I did shot tracking on a spreadsheet for CGY @ NJD in the 2021-22 season), the scorekeepers missed a high danger shot on goal for CGY (that NJD's goalie, Nico Daws, saved) in the first 90 seconds of the game. I'll have to watch a game closely tonight to deduce if it's something they're potentially frequently doing wrong.

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    razor2rosary
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    2 years ago

    Adding on to this, just did some looking deeper, after realizing that 4 of the top 10 players in snap shot totals (this season) are from the Oilers, 3 are from the Devils.

    There are DEFINITELY some arenas that count snap shots more than others. NJD and EDM are two of them.

    Here's an example: Over the last three seasons, Jack Hughes has:
    146 snap shots on goal in 91 home games
    36 snap shots on goal in 81 road games

    Leon Draisaitl?
    160 snap shots on goal in 109 home games
    75 snap shots on goal in 109 road games 

    Here's a crazier one. Michael McLeod.
    46 snap shots on goal in 102 home games
    9 snap shots on goal in 100 road games

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    razor2rosary
    New Vanguard
    2 years ago

    Boosting this because my talking point of "the wrist shot is the easiest shot / controls should be changed" is actually something I'm going to walk back upon (MOSTLY - I still think that the skill stick control could use a SLIGHT adjustment - in my opinion, holding the puck out to your forehand (3/9 o'clock) and rolling to 12 should be enough, think the requirement to "pull back" could be ditched, but that's just me.)

    However, there's still something to be talked about here. But I guess, since human players have full control over the ability to take a wrist shot, this now becomes a quality of life suggestion for AI puck carriers. All things considered - they just don't take wrist shots. When I check the action tracker's net chart during my games, the AI could get as many as 40-45 shots against me at times and maybe ONE will be a wrist shot. This is a smaller part of a bigger issue for the offensive AI - they don't know how to use all of the tools at their disposal (effectively or just in general). I never see them preform the slip deke on the wall, the "self pass" off the wall, they don't exactly preform general loose puck dekes at optimal times, etc.

    Specific to wrist shots, this might have something to do with the way the game plays while the offensive AI attempts to cycle the puck. It feels like receiving a pass in this game handicaps your mobility for a moment, and the defensive AI is extremely aggressive. When an offensive AI skater receives a pass from a teammate while a cycle is developing, it seems like the pass STOPS the receiver's momentum. Now, this isn't exactly an exaggerated time frame, but by the time the receiver exits the "pass receiving/cradling" animation, there's already a defending skater about to run right through them. The wrist shot takes an extra instance to perform, and the offensive AI is incapable of getting that time while in the zone. If they're on the rush, I don't see wrist shots either, however this is something I'll have to test more.

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