Goalie fatigue needs to go in NHL 25

Yeah I can honestly say I am not a huge fan of the players grabbing slapshots and such like it's nothing.  Hope that is toned severely down if not out.  Also maybe later we can find out if the puck dump has been improved or it's staying the same in 25.    I'm not fond of goalies losing so much stamina after  possibly doing so very little.  But I'm with you on this one.

In the post that Aljo had put up from Mike it talked about some new features.  Guess we shall have to find out what exactly those features are.  (pic for reference) 

I don't mind the idea of goalies getting fatigued after long stretches of time facing shots and big scramble plays. The issue is that it takes very little for the goalie's energy to drain down to nothing, and then it takes FOREVER to regain energy. On the flip side, skaters can just stop skating or slow down for a moment and they regain a ton of energy. It's completely unbalanced.

I'm in 100% agreement on that and they probably even have less stamina than what goalies are using and regain it back faster.  As I said before it feels like they treat goalie stamina as a beer league goalie who is out of shape.

It’s because EA has always catered more to offence.  They want goals!  That’s what they think sells the game. 

They admitted they nerfed the flip dump to cater to their pressure system. 

Just in the statement above they admit it again.  More stamina to gain a second wind to push for a goal.  Why not also more stamina to the defending team that successfully clears the zone?  

The goalie stamina is also so out of whack.  My goalie loses instantly the majority of it with even just the slightest movement.  I even have 90 or so endurance/stamina plus I use a trait to increase this more.  Like previously mentioned it takes longer to gain it back than a positional player (especially a forward).  Just another example of EA creating an unfair balance between offence and defence.   Playing G is already hard and this is coming from someone who’s been playing it for about 10 years and has become way better than the average human G that plays.  

EA needs to bring back “paddle down” too!  Yet another example of them taking away a commonly used ability that helped goalies.  

It's really not preferring offense over defense. Offense is more attractive to most people because they prefer scoring goals to shutting them down. Offense also has the flashier moves just by nature of the position. Defense can be a very challenging position to play well. It's something a lot of people just don't focus on. I've played many opponents with a strong offensive game, but are very much lacking on defense. The tools are there to be a good defender.  A lot of people just don't master them.

The flip dump is not a good example of us preferring offense over defense. Flipping the puck out isn't the only way to get it out of your zone. I'm not happy about it either, but I get why it needs to be there so the pressure system actually means something. Otherwise, why have it if you can escape that pressure so easily?

Playing D has always been generally harder to learn and master but EA has always given more tools and makes it easier for the offence.  It’s been a major complaint from so many players throughout the years.  

As for the flip dump.  It’s a commonly used easy hockey play.  If the offensive team isn’t good enough to substain pressure you don’t make it easier for them by nerfing a defensive ability.  Yet by doing so you make it harder for the defensive team.  The pressure system should be natural yet EA forces it.  EA wants the pressure system it seems on every offensive zone play.  

The onus should be on the offense to keep possession if they want to keep full pressure. Taking away an actual hockey play makes no sense.

The older, non-weak, flip dump came with the risk of icing or flipping it over the boards for a delay of game penalty.  It wasn't necessarily easy to avoid both when you were under pressure from forecheckers.  And as thebrazenhead75 said, it's a commonly used hockey play.  I still don't understand the perceived need to nerf it.  As you say, there are other ways of clearing the puck from your zone... why weren't they nerfed too if you want it to be super difficult to break pressure?

I see where you're coming from. It does seem like nerfing the flip dump might have been an overreach, especially considering the natural risks like icing or a delay of game penalty. If the goal was to make it harder to clear the puck, it would be interesting to know why this specific play was targeted and not others. Maybe the devs were trying to balance the game in a way we're not seeing yet?

As I recall, the reason given for the high flip nerf was literally that it made the pressure system pointless. At the time, I pointed out that if the system was so easily defeated by such a rudimentary play, then maybe the system was poorly designed.