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Re: Be A Pro end of season 3 only 1 additional team is interested in obtaining you?

No, dude, the trading in Franchise mode *is* that bad. That's why I turn off trades; I'd rather have an unrealistic amount of trades - 0 - than an unrealistic amount of trades that are terrible.

As I've said before, we need the ability to veto CPU-CPU trades. Minimum, let us make a protected list for every CPU team, with 2 tiers - untouchable players that they'll do everything they can to keep (including re-signing them, not just trades), and a 2nd tier of guys who they ought to keep to complement their core players (like for the Caps - my team - I'd have Ovie and Backstrom as untouchable... and honestly, I'd probably have Oshie on the 2nd tier - although with that contract, maybe not - and probably Vrana, and Wilson, and Orlov... because I could absolutely see them trading Kuznetsov or Carlson given how expensive they are and what the return could be. But those other guys are really important complementary pieces who are affordable around the core superstars.)
Like... the way *we* want to play the game isn't going to be how the programmers want to play the game; the way I want to play the game isn't the way other players want to play the game.
It's baffling that they don't allow us more control to play the game in a way we find, you know... fun.

I've said it before: I get why programming certain things are so hard. Defense in gameplay is pretty weak, but I get the difficulties of making the character poke how I want him to (for the puck, or to take away a passing lane, or to put it in the shooting lane not to try to poke the puck but to prevent a strong shot when I'm trailing on a semi-break... how could the game know which one I want?) But, like... giving us the ability to make CPU-CPU trades, or change positions (or roles, or names, or even ratings or potential) of drafted players in Be A GM mode, or, you know... a Franchise level young talent coming into the league being able to sign with any team in the league, because he's good enough to help a contender and young enough to help a rebuilding team.
I saw Landeskog leave the Avs in the offseason, and I was surprised because I know that's an expensive team, but I didn't realize they were *that* cash-strapped... they weren't. They just didn't re-sign their elite captain. Which... if they were thinking ahead, knowing they had to let one guy walk, even a 1st liner, in order to keep 4-5 guys, like 2 2nd liners and 2 3rd liners and a top-4 defender, then okay. I may disagree with this specific choice, letting *that* player walk, but okay. But nah. The game still doesn't ever plan for that. You still see teams sign 10 NHL level defenders for between $1.5M-$3M a season for multiple seasons, then have to let a player worth $8M walk because that money is tied up in their 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th defenders.

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  • Beauts90's avatar
    Beauts90
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago

    Not to change the subject here, just wanted to say nice idea from @SchulzEricT 

    I've made the suggestion before of giving us a 3 tiered trade block (untouchable, willing, shopping) to try and limit the amount of bad offers I get for players I don't want to trade. I never thought about being able to set up the CPU teams using something similar as I can't stand the moves they make during franchise either, so nice job.

  • yarg232's avatar
    yarg232
    5 years ago

    There's no thought/development process behind the AI it's just trade anyone for any amount at any time. However, good luck trying to trade an 81 ranked player for someone's #1 future draft pick. You can't do that but the computer/AI can. The same goes with in coming trade offers. It's just a random algorithm that offers you anything hence why you get multiple trade offers for the same player even though you declined the first time. It's total garbage and makes the game so unrealistic. The same with BAP, after season one the entire NHL was thrown into a bag, shuffled and handed out. Pastrnak with the Devils, McDavid with San Jose, Zibanejad with Calgary, Barkov with Columbus, Ovechkin with Dallas on and on and on. I could possibly handle this stupid reshuffle if it stayed as is after year one, but every single year you see huge superstars move onto other teams. It's like everyone in the NHL has the same 2 year deal you have. Any team can go from dead last one year, to winning the cup the following year. The only reasoning behind wanting to be traded or go to a specific team is for the jersey only. Because the team has been put through a meat grinder several times and all the core players have been dealt elsewhere. 

    The saddest part is that these issues we have are for offline play options so you know EA doesn't care whatsoever. 

  • I fixed that, as best I can, by cheating on editing contracts. I just guess at about what a contract ought to be/will be, and then sign some of the key pieces on each team to 7 (or so) year deals.
    It's pretty stupid, it also makes things harder on myself as I always take over a rebuilding team, and there ought to be at least a few of those guys going to free agency that I can add, but the game always has it be 50%+ of those guys, rather than something around 5-10% of them.
    So, as with having trades "off"... I'd rather my unrealistic not-enough-movement than the game's staggeringly, unbelievably unrealistic way-too-much movement every year, all the time.

  • @yarg232 It’s funny, if you look at all the threads that the mods respond in, they reply in at least 10 HUT threads for every 1 BAP/FM thread.
    BAP and FM are empty shells of a game mode, just like the past multiple years, and likely will continue to be worthless for as long as they can keep making money of the gambling mechanics of loot boxes in HUT
  • yarg232's avatar
    yarg232
    5 years ago

    @SkylerJames13It's all about the drops/loot boxes. They got our $60 already so we're just peasants to them. Typical "complainers" that b**** and moan however, if it wasn't for us single/offline players, the game would have never got off the ground. I remember owning this on the original Sega Genesis and it was simply the best game ever made. I lost touch for a few years and picked it back up when NHL 15 came out. I really wish 2K would handle this moving forward. I know hockey is EAs least selling sports game but there are thousands of hockey fans around the world that want a good solid game and good experience again. Every single year it's the same thing over and over just with more bugs and more glitches. Sorry for the rant, it's just frustrating falling into EAs trap every year dishing out $60 for garbage. 

  • @yarg232 I hear you dude. You’re 100% right. I’ve been so frustrated since release. The absolute trainwreck of a game this is, made me finally sign up for the forums to see if any progress can be made so that this game isn’t a waste of time, money and HDD space.
    So far, it’s only further cemented the notion that it is indeed a complete waste since there has been next to no meaningful discussion with EA
  • yarg232's avatar
    yarg232
    5 years ago

    @SkylerJames13the simple lack of any feedback or reply just proves our points. If they want to throw out garbage every year, then give the franchise to 2K to handle. I'm sure anything 2K creates would be leaps and bounds over NHL 21. I don't even own a 2K game (my son owns NBA 2K) so I'm not on some 2K bandwagon. But if you're so rushed every year either due to Corvid, or crunch time deadlines, then I'm sure another company would love to pick this up and overhaul it from top to bottom.

    I saw a post the other night about someone speaking with a developer about BAP and how it was meant for a 1 year and done style of game. We'll then how the heck do you explain the "Salary Perks"? If there is truth to this conversation, that's the saddest excuse I ever heard. I've never played any Madden game in my life (not a football fan even living in Boston) but by reading some of the older posts in the NHL 20 thread, it seems like you can seriously do anything in Madden. Create several teams, assign a running back to a different position etc. etc. I got so angry reading you can do all this cool, creative stuff in Madden and Hockey is the abandoned red-headed, step-child. 

  • @yarg232I vaguely recall the convo you’re talking about. They focused solely on the rookie year, and then anything after that doesn’t matter. It is such a sad excuse. The entire game is a pathetic excuse of a “game”
    They exploit children and gamers by using the gambling mechanics of loot boxes to keep the cash flow coming in, whereas the offline players don’t contribute anything past the initial purchase price, so we are on the bottom of the priority list, year after year.

    i mean, is it lots to ask, for a couple new features after waiting 6yrs of playing a game mode that hasn’t changed? 
    new features, without having important features removed, and having the game mode not broken. And not tailored to a linear boring, storyline with no replay ability to it 

  • yarg232's avatar
    yarg232
    5 years ago

    @SkylerJames13dead on my friend. 100% dead on. I was so excited when I heard BAP was redone then played it and it's one huge mess. There are still media skill requests broken, razors edge opponent always displays the same exact amount of goals as your player, the total insanity AI of re-shuffling the entire NHL rosters via trades after season 1. There are plenty more you're aware about. Not to mention we could go on forever about the positive and negative xp you get during a game. A badly aimed shot gets me negative points!? A shot is a shot some are good, some are bad but how do I get penalized because I didn't make that perfect aim because I was too busy getting poke checked up the a**. If it's bad shot but still hits the goalie, there should be zero points added or taken away. 

  • @yarg232 Just tried playing it again today. For some reason, I don’t know why, it was a colossal waste of time.
    But so many bugs are still prevalent. Tried FM, it was a pile of hot steaming feces. I don’t understand why it continues to be in this state after nearly two months of being released
  • yarg232's avatar
    yarg232
    5 years ago
    @SkylerJames13 Out of this entire super dumpster fire on steroids, your post did make me crack up. I play daily (I guess I enjoy the torture) because there's a part of me aiming for that stupid private island for a $100 million. I have no idea why, it's just bragging rights to only myself I guess.
  • @yarg232 Lol I used to play NHL nearly every day, or every other day, especially on my days off. When it was released, I think I played for 2-3 days until I realized how worthless the game is. Then I started being active on the forums. Just played again today, for a couple hours and realized it’s still as worthless as the day it came out.
    Haven’t even played nhl 20 either, this piece of garbage game has left such a sour taste in my mouth for EA. I’ve even been actively avoiding buying any games by them since lol
  • yarg232's avatar
    yarg232
    5 years ago
    @SkylerJames13 at least NHL 20 was much more bug free than this 21 mess. I agree, we can't be buying this every single year knowing there's been zero improvement handing them $60 for garbage. I'm done purchasing this game until I see threads loaded with praise and compliments which will never happen. Or if some odd reason 2K gets the rights which I highly doubt. I got swept up in the BAP overhaul hype and purchased 21 for only that reason only to learn it's a totally broken mess.
  • @yarg232 Oh man, you and me both. I stupidly bought it because I thought they actually did something to BAP this year. But they just butchered it. I don’t think I’ll be buying nhl anymore, for a couple years anyway. I’ve wasted my money each year now. I’ll keep doing my best to prevent friends from buying it too, I’ve had enough of this

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