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painisawarning
4 years ago
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Can we have a serious discussion about the nemesis system?

Can we discuss that dumpster fire that is Grid Legends nemesis system? @EA_Kent @CM_TGK  The current implementation does not work. Design wise and code wise. In theory, the design sounds OK - you ...
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  • CM_TGK's avatar
    CM_TGK
    3 years ago

    Thank you for your feedback on the Nemesis system.

    We have identified a bug whereby the Nemesis state of AI wouldn't properly decay between races, as intended. This has been resolved internally and will be updated alongside DLC 4.

    From that update, if an AI isn't antagonised during the closing stages of a race, there's a good (60%) chance the Nemesis state of that particular driver will be forgotten.

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painisawarning
3 years ago

@EA_Kent @CM_TGK 

Can we PLEASE have some answers here?

Nemesis system is broken from day 1 and with every patch you guys seem to tweak the system a bit.

I have no idea what are you trying to do, but the system is still broken.

Patch 3.3 changed one big thing - for some reason, my teammate is not in nemesis state anymore, so at least that's one less driver trying to kill me on the 1st lap.

Did some tests today, in PRO/Touring, played the first two events few times.

The current loop looks like this:

1. The race loads, on pre-race standings screen noone is marked as nemesis

2. I start the race, and immediately I'm notified that drivers A, B, C , D and E are my nemesis (top middle screen)

3. Minimap becomes visible, and I can see way more red/nemesis cars than the 5 mentioned on the start. 

4. After 1 minute, all red/nemesis cars suddenly become black/normal cars

5. You can retrigger any of the red-turned-black cars just by driving close to them (no contact needed). If you do, they will remain in the red/nemesis state until the end of the race

6. Race ends and on the post-race screen I can see that EVERYONE except me and my teammate are both my rival and nemesis (purple + red icon)

I can run the same event again, or a different event as many times I want, the loop stays the same. 

It does not matter if I drive like a maniac or do not make any contact for the whole event. Every new race starts from point 1

Another funny thing - if after the race starts I open the menu and press 'restart race', I'll get more drivers mentioned during step 2. So it seems like restarting a race breaks the system even more.

Currently, there's no way of tracking who is your nemesis and who is not. Pre- and post-race screens are useless, both displaying false information.

There seems to be no way of getting rid of nemesis AI

Your racing standards are completely irrelevant.

Maybe we need to have another option in the menu, one that would reset the nemesis state of all AI?  Just like you handled the yellow markers? 🙂

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T16R0N
3 years ago

The only good part of the Nemesis system is that it at all present in the game. There is nothing even close in any other racing game now. Though the implementations is eh... far from being perfect.

I am just wondering, how shall you drive to make the whole pack of 20 cars you nemesis? Crash them all like hell?! Or it is me who drive so carefully.

Don't get me wrong. I also get Nemesis opponents. And sudden triggering by just passing by. Maximum 3-5 in a race. But I don't remember that the whole pack was chasing me trying to kill me. 

Somehow they get calm down over time. Though I hove no idea how it actually works.

Even in nemesis state the opponents are very light on you. Yes, they maybe try to ram into you more (that is worse for them). But they will also ram you even without nemesis, just because you are on their way (and become Nemesis after that). In fact the only nemesis feature that I noticed so far is that if nemesis AI is right one position behind you (even relatively far enough in time), it will try to attack and overtake you by pushing you out. But if there is any other normal opponent between you, it, most likely, will never make it.
So, it is not that much of a problem, until you actually made the whole pack of 20 opponents you personal nemesis on purpose.

I would say the DEVs should address two main problems with Nemesis system:

  1. Leaking the nemesis status to other game modes (especially into on-line races)
  2. Make some solution for extreme cases, when too much opponents are on nemesis state

By the way, question. If driving a non contact races (like Drift) or single time attack without opponents can calm nemesis down? How many such events are needed?

  • painisawarning's avatar
    painisawarning
    3 years ago
    @T16R0N As the nemesis status never goes away, it's easy to accumulate the full grid of nemesis drivers.

    Only trigger 1 or 2 per race, and after 15-20 races everyone hates you. Forever.

    They do not calm down. Ever. I already descibed the issue in detail, many times.
    • T16R0N's avatar
      T16R0N
      3 years ago
      @painisawarning Well, I have around 60 races already in all modes (story, career, online) and I don't have the whole pack running after me yet.
      That makes me wonder if I am a very careful driver?
      • painisawarning's avatar
        painisawarning
        3 years ago
        @T16R0N AI driver roster differs between rookie, semipro and pro divisions.

        I don't really have nemesis in rookie and semipro, but pro... oh boy.

        Also, I finished my career few patches ago, maybe with a fresh save things look better now? I have no idea.
        The fact is, that I can't get rid of my permanent nemesis of pro division AI.

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