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PalomaMarvel24
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2 years ago
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Arcade Should Be Easy While SIM Should Be Hard

I am realizing that Amateurs who want a fun and easy game and the Simulation Gamers who want a challenge are being left out in current game. That is why there are many post requesting for game to be ...
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  • Beerrun4u's avatar
    Beerrun4u
    2 years ago

    My issue with Arcade is that you should be able to repeat your shots or at least know your math is going to work out. EA's RNG currently gives a big FU to the casual player and is telling me "you may think you're good, but I'm going to jump in and make sure you can't rely on your abilities". In Arcade, birdies and eagles should be the norm with hole-outs determining the victor. As it stands you have to rely on opponents to screw up since your skill won't put you ahead. Sorry/not sorry if that offends the people that feel the game should make you take 3 swings in the sand just because you do on the weekends.

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PalomaMarvel24
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
@Noya_Wesa wrote:

Playing the 4 hole arcade just now, and I realize just how much of an utter failure the devs have presented to us. 

The conditions are the same each time, and since the winds are only in the 1 to 2 mph range, and gusts are off, the results should be somewhat repeatable, right? 

Right? 

It's okay, I'll wait for the laughter to die down... 

Second hole is a nice straight shot at the pin with a 5 or a 6 iron drive, depending on your preference, but it's pretty much impossible to replicate the shot, as the random nonsense generator has to have the final say.

You'll get 'close' to replicating the shot, if you accept an overall spread of approximately 15 yards between attempts as close. 

The third, there's that gorgeous, long, tree lined fairway, that's wide enough to easily avoid any foliage. The wind is coming in at 2mph almost head on, with only the slightest drift from left to right... 

The shot is lined up, driving slightly to the right and relying on what little wind there is to keep it that way, and I get the pleasure of watching a perfect/perfect meet the leaves of the left hand trees as the ball starts to descend. 

"Really?" 

So I will offer the opinion that arcade mode is far from fit for purpose, and that the devs should be going back to older versions of the game, seeing what worked and what didn't, and recoding this pile of garbage from the ground up.

They might also wish to look at competing games, just so they can see how much fun arcade level computer golf can be!  

That is absolutely an amazing post. That is exactly what I have experienced for 4 plus months. The random nonsense generator makes sure no shots are repeatable with conditions at same Bat time and same Bat channel.

The current game has too many issues as shown with the following: 1) Ball Physics, 2) Putting, 3) Slo-mo swing timing, 4) lack of difficulty levels to fit player base and level (ie Arcade not being easy as advertised), 5) lack of options to modify wind, flag positioning and RNG and the list goes on. Totally agree this game needs a full makeover from the ground up to replicate the success of TW14. If RNG can be turned off, there is a possibility to fix the top five issues and make arcade actually feel like arcade.

2K on the other hand has only two issues: 1) swing timing and 2) lack of photo face capture used in WWE 2K. It seems like 2K is much closer to attain a game like TW14. Since EA has IP for TW14, the next iteration needs to be like to TW14 with better graphics to compete.

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ELF014
2 years ago

I agree with a lot of the complaints being mentioned, but then these have been my issues with the game since day one.

I do believe we should be able to replicate shots, but within reason. I don't feel we should be able to hit the exact shot over and over, which is why I would be happy with a small amount of dispersion. A few yards with a driver... NOT the 20 plus yards we seem to be seeing.

The swing mechanics do seem off and the ball physics are not very realistic. As appealing as the game is to play... it is nowhere near a simulation. It is more a bad arcade video golf game.

As for issues with 2K23's swing timing... I'm not sure what you think is wrong with it. My only issue with 2K's swing is that it is far too fast for some swing types. Specifically chipping or partial shot types.

I have started playing 2K23 again, at least with this game I feel I am rewarded for my good shots and punished for my bad. Unlike EA where the randomness seems to at times overrides whatever you do in the game.

  • PalomaMarvel24's avatar
    PalomaMarvel24
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @ELF014 wrote:

    I agree with a lot of the complaints being mentioned, but then these have been my issues with the game since day one.

    I do believe we should be able to replicate shots, but within reason. I don't feel we should be able to hit the exact shot over and over, which is why I would be happy with a small amount of dispersion. A few yards with a driver... NOT the 20 plus yards we seem to be seei g.

    The swing mechanics do seem off and the ball physics are not very realistic. As appealing as the game is to play... it is nowhere near a simulation. It is more a bad arcade video golf game.

    As for issues with 2K23's swing timing... I'm not sure what you think is wrong with it. My only issue with 2K's swing is that it is far too fastcfor some swing types. Specifically chipping or partial shot types.

    I have started playing 2K23 again, at least with this game I feel I am rewarded for my good shots and punished for my bad. Unlike EA where the randomness seems to at times overrides whatever you do in the game.

    I probably did not specify swing with 2K23. I meant it to be too fast for swing type as you mentioned; but that is so minor compared to what is happening with EA PGA Tour. I actually like 2K23; just few touch ups to be close to TW14. If 2K adds the WWE photo face capture on its next iteration, I think that would make it the game to get.

    As for dispersion, if it is within the shot radius of each shot type, I am fine with that. If the player has a higher accuracy, the dispersion should also get smaller. If EA made dispersion inversely proportional to accuracy, at least arcade would have had a chance to actually be fun. The overpowered dispersion made the game as unrealistic as Becky Lynch looking like the Talking Hamburgers from Micky Ds.

    IMHO, the current PGA Tour is neither a simulation nor an arcade game. It feels more like a slot machine. Ironically, the opening tournament in Career is Waste Management Open Championship. The poor physics and Vegas like dispersion made the game feel like the Road to Waste Management.

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    Noya_Wesa
    Seasoned Veteran
    2 years ago

    @ELF014  I don't disagree with you, regarding the level of shot replication, in the sense of landing on exactly the same spot every time, but as with the one I mentioned the other night, it really drove it home to me, just how terrible the the game is, regarding the rng. 

    When playing the 4 hole arcade, with 1 to 2 mph winds, there was the second hole that only needed a 5 or 6 iron to reach the pin from the tee. The actual dispersion ranged approx 15 yards... Even perfect/perfect shots suffered with it. 

    Some shots were anything up to 22 feet wide of the pin, in whatever random direction the rng chose for each shot. If you work the spread on that, it's a foot short of a 15 yard spread on a 6 iron, in low winds with no gusts, and that quite frankly strikes me as ridiculous. 

    It feels like my golfer may have been DUI. 😉 

    • PalomaMarvel24's avatar
      PalomaMarvel24
      Seasoned Ace
      2 years ago
      @Noya_Wesa wrote:

      @ELF014  I don't disagree with you, regarding the level of shot replication, in the sense of landing on exactly the same spot every time, but as with the one I mentioned the other night, it really drove it home to me, just how terrible the the game is, regarding the rng. 

      When playing the 4 hole arcade, with 1 to 2 mph winds, there was the second hole that only needed a 5 or 6 iron to reach the pin from the tee. The actual dispersion ranged approx 15 yards... Even perfect/perfect shots suffered with it. 

      Some shots were anything up to 22 feet wide of the pin, in whatever random direction the rng chose for each shot. If you work the spread on that, it's a foot short of a 15 yard spread on a 6 iron, in low winds with no gusts, and that quite frankly strikes me as ridiculous. 

      It feels like my golfer may have been DUI. 😉 

      Totally agree that RNG made golfer look like being in a DUI without wind. When wind is at 10 mph to 15 mph, the ball can roll back 60 yards close to original position of short shot. That feels like a golfer having shot blocked by Shaq. At winds above 15 mph, the ball could have a dispersion that is over 60 yards. That can feel like having Anakin Skywalker using his focused rage on the ball.

      I think dispersion should be applied proportionally to difficulty level. The arcade/beginner should have no dispersion while SIM should have the dispersion within a shot radius or two. The pro and tour levels should have something in between. This ensures arcade is easy while sim is hard. I just get annoyed when all difficultly levels get the same dispersion.

    • ELF014's avatar
      ELF014
      2 years ago
      @Noya_Wesa wrote:

      @ELF014  I don't disagree with you, regarding the level of shot replication, in the sense of landing on exactly the same spot every time, but as with the one I mentioned the other night, it really drove it home to me, just how terrible the the game is, regarding the rng. 

      When playing the 4 hole arcade, with 1 to 2 mph winds, there was the second hole that only needed a 5 or 6 iron to reach the pin from the tee. The actual dispersion ranged approx 15 yards... Even perfect/perfect shots suffered with it. 

      Some shots were anything up to 22 feet wide of the pin, in whatever random direction the rng chose for each shot. If you work the spread on that, it's a foot short of a 15 yard spread on a 6 iron, in low winds with no gusts, and that quite frankly strikes me as ridiculous. 

      It feels like my golfer may have been DUI. 😉 

      You make a great point... is that bottle of wine next to you closer to half empty or half full?

      🙌

      • PalomaMarvel24's avatar
        PalomaMarvel24
        Seasoned Ace
        2 years ago
        @ELF014 wrote:

        You make a great point... is that bottle of wine next to you closer to half empty or half full?

        It would be funny if there is a video of the Golfer struggling with RNG with Eric Burdon’s “Spill the Wine” playing in the background.

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