Arcade Should Be Easy While SIM Should Be Hard

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@ELF014 wrote:

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@Noya_Wesa wrote:

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You know the reason I play computer games? To relieve the frustrations of day to day life. 

If I want frustration, I can drag myself down to any number of courses to go watch other people play, and be frustrated that I can no longer even play 9 holes on a pitch and putt, let alone play a full round on a full course, as I used to when I was fully able. 

My respite from the frustration of not being able to play real golf nowadays is to play video golf. Is it really too much to ask for it to be frustration free? 

I would guess by the number of other people with similar complaints about the poor state of the game, that I'm not in a slim minority with that desire. 

Not everybody wants hard core sim, not everybody can play at the same level consistently, so why shouldn't there be options for all?  

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I have absolutely no issue with this... and fully understand those looking for this. Which is why I have always said EA's concept of how the game should work is flawed. That difficulty should not be based off of an artificial dispersion of shots but rather the ability to execute a shot.

2K23 got this down pretty well, those looking for more relaxing less penal conditions can remove the timing component of the game. In addition they can increase the swing path width to make it more player friendly.

In fact I feel 2K basically allows you hit a perfect shot everytime except for distance control if setup correctly. And fade and draw is controlled within the setup and NOT by excuting some odd swing mechanic as in real life. However... making a bad swing would influence fades and draws, as in real life.

I hear what you are saying... and agree with you. EA did a poor job of executing the everything important in this game. Specifically... swing mechanics, ball, course and cup physics.

They did a pretty good job with the career mode, visual presentation and challenges... but without solid gameplay it is a bit of a moot point.

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I think that only truly winning point with this game as it stands, is the fact that it is visually stunning compare to 2K's offerings, but sadly, the visuals alone just aren't enough. 

2K with harder settings doesn't feel as frustrating as arcade play on here, which just seems totally whacky. 

Even without the guideline that this game has, putting on 2K's games feels far more accessible, and far more rewarding. Their greens seem far easier to read, and the ball control feels much better and their game feels far more polished overall. 

They don't punish players for disability by excluding them from content, and that also includes their keyboard map... Their offerings feel like they were designed by somebody with at least a little empathy towards those who can't use a game controller, instead of being totally ableist, as the devs of this game seem to be. (I can't help but think of them that way, given their treatment of those who have a physical impairment that means a game controller is impossible to use.) 

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@7AnimalMother wrote:

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@Noya_Wesa wrote:

I would guess by the number of other people with similar complaints about the poor state of the game, that I'm not in a slim minority with that desire. 

Not everybody wants hard core sim, not everybody can play at the same level consistently, so why shouldn't there be options for all?  

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I never said I wanted a hard-core SIM.  I like playing all the other modes better than SIM, because I hate SIM putting.  Quite honestly though, I don't understand the complaints about Arcade mode being too hard.  It's really, really, really easy.   I don't want to be that guy that says "get gud", but I don't know how you make the game easier without just coding so that a button click makes the ball go into the hole on all your tee shots. 

But hey, if that's what people want.... I'm all for a "so stupidly easy what's the point of playing the game" difficulty level..... 

I just hope they prioritize other things before that since there is only so much development time to go around.    

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I think you might be missing some people's point on here. The game is easy for some of us, not everyone is fully able bodied that can use a controller. There are those that are a little less fortunate that may have some disabilities that do not allow them to do things we take for granted.

Which is why 3-click might open a new world for these players.

Nor might everyone want the full on SIM settings I persnally prefer. But EA didn't seem to take any specific group in mind when developing the game... they appear to have just built what they wanted. Things like adding 3-click was an after thought.

I now fully appreciate what The Golf Club did now for all the settings you can toggle to allow all levels of players to find their sweet spot.

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@7AnimalMother wrote:

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I never said I wanted a hard-core SIM.  I like playing all the other modes better than SIM, because I hate SIM putting.  Quite honestly though, I don't understand the complaints about Arcade mode being too hard.  It's really, really, really easy.   I don't want to be that guy that says "get gud", but I don't know how you make the game easier without just coding so that a button click makes the ball go into the hole on all your tee shots. 

But hey, if that's what people want.... I'm all for a "so stupidly easy what's the point of playing the game" difficulty level..... 

I just hope they prioritize other things before that since there is only so much development time to go around.    

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Being good at some games are relative based on matchups. 2K and TW fit much better for my style of play and I see it much easier compared to the current game. I am an amateur player while you are a much more advanced player in this game; you are more likely see this game much easier for you. I just see that 2K is a much better fit for me than this game. You mentioned in another post that you would rather play SIM in this game than the easiest level in 2K. That is an example of how each game presents a matchup for us. By the way, I am already the next level up in 2K.