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PalomaMarvel24
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2 years ago
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Arcade Should Be Easy While SIM Should Be Hard

I am realizing that Amateurs who want a fun and easy game and the Simulation Gamers who want a challenge are being left out in current game. That is why there are many post requesting for game to be harder. However, there are not many Amateur gamers who are making post to make game easier. I would like to start that trend.

As it stands, the current game has only four difficulty levels: 1) Arcade, 2) Pro, 3) Tour and 4) SIM. In addition, there are options missing such as adjusting Wind Speed, RNG Levels, Lipout Frequency and Flag Positions. When the game first came out, Arcade difficulty was easy as described. As updates rolled on after complaints to make game harder, Arcade difficulty has increased with each successive updates making it a stress inducer instead of a stress reliever. IMHO, the Arcade level feels like Pro from TW14 and Pro-Am in 2K in its current state. I have lost interest after 4+ months because I had to relearn game after each update. For the Arcade level, it should be Easy means Easy, but It felt like Hard is the new Easy.

In comparison with other games, Tiger Woods 14 has five difficulty levels: Amateur, Pro, Tour Pro, Tournament and Simulation. In that iteration, Amateur is actually easy and Simulation is actually hard. In addition to difficulty levels, Options such as wind speed and flag position can be selected. 2K has six difficulty levels: Beginner, Amateur, Pro-Am, Pro, Master and Legend. There are also options to have shot account for the wind. I have recently re-purchased 2K23 and Beginner level is a stress reducer. For 2K23, I am enjoying and not cursing at the TV anymore. In addition, I am able to dress my golfer like Nelly Korda. Like TW14, 2K23 and 2K21 caters to both Amateur and Simulation gamers. I am hoping the next iteration of EA PGA Tour (Maybe called Nelly Korda PGA Tour 25) would make 5 or 6 difficulty levels with additional options such as wind speed to be inclusive of all player bases.

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  • Beerrun4u's avatar
    Beerrun4u
    2 years ago

    My issue with Arcade is that you should be able to repeat your shots or at least know your math is going to work out. EA's RNG currently gives a big FU to the casual player and is telling me "you may think you're good, but I'm going to jump in and make sure you can't rely on your abilities". In Arcade, birdies and eagles should be the norm with hole-outs determining the victor. As it stands you have to rely on opponents to screw up since your skill won't put you ahead. Sorry/not sorry if that offends the people that feel the game should make you take 3 swings in the sand just because you do on the weekends.

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  • PalomaMarvel24's avatar
    PalomaMarvel24
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @7AnimalMother wrote:

    I never said I wanted a hard-core SIM.  I like playing all the other modes better than SIM, because I hate SIM putting.  Quite honestly though, I don't understand the complaints about Arcade mode being too hard.  It's really, really, really easy.   I don't want to be that guy that says "get gud", but I don't know how you make the game easier without just coding so that a button click makes the ball go into the hole on all your tee shots. 

    But hey, if that's what people want.... I'm all for a "so stupidly easy what's the point of playing the game" difficulty level..... 

    I just hope they prioritize other things before that since there is only so much development time to go around.    

    Being good at some games are relative based on matchups. 2K and TW fit much better for my style of play and I see it much easier compared to the current game. I am an amateur player while you are a much more advanced player in this game; you are more likely see this game much easier for you. I just see that 2K is a much better fit for me than this game. You mentioned in another post that you would rather play SIM in this game than the easiest level in 2K. That is an example of how each game presents a matchup for us. By the way, I am already the next level up in 2K.

  • Noya_Wesa's avatar
    Noya_Wesa
    Seasoned Veteran
    2 years ago

    @7AnimalMother  Yeah, it's 3 click or nothing, sadly. I didn't even commit to purchasing until they had confirmed 3 click would be available.

    I'd have settled for that or mouse swing, since neither require the use of the thumbs for interaction. My fingers also have some level of spasm, so I can't even rely on a game controller sat flat and secured down.

    I know that customized controllers are available, but the cost at 3 or more times the price of the game is off-putting, given this is the only game I have that demands the use of a controller to be 'fair to all players' as the devs class it. (A statement that I read as 'fair to all fully abled bodied players'.)  

    Obviously given that, I don't have the ability to directly compare to analogue stick, so I can't offer more than speculation as to whether the 3 click mode has more RNG applied. 

  • PalomaMarvel24's avatar
    PalomaMarvel24
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago
    @ELF014 wrote:
    @7AnimalMother wrote:
    @Noya_Wesa wrote:

    I would guess by the number of other people with similar complaints about the poor state of the game, that I'm not in a slim minority with that desire. 

    Not everybody wants hard core sim, not everybody can play at the same level consistently, so why shouldn't there be options for all?  

    I never said I wanted a hard-core SIM.  I like playing all the other modes better than SIM, because I hate SIM putting.  Quite honestly though, I don't understand the complaints about Arcade mode being too hard.  It's really, really, really easy.   I don't want to be that guy that says "get gud", but I don't know how you make the game easier without just coding so that a button click makes the ball go into the hole on all your tee shots. 

    But hey, if that's what people want.... I'm all for a "so stupidly easy what's the point of playing the game" difficulty level..... 

    I just hope they prioritize other things before that since there is only so much development time to go around.    

    I think you might be missing some people's point on here. The game is easy for some of us, not everyone is fully able bodied that can use a controller. There are those that are a little less fortunate that may have some disabilities that do not allow them to do things we take for granted.

    Which is why 3-click might open a new world for these players.

    Nor might everyone want the full on SIM settings I persnally prefer. But EA didn't seem to take any specific group in mind when developing the game... they appear to have just built what they wanted. Things like adding 3-click was an after thought.

    I now fully appreciate what The Golf Club did now for all the settings you can toggle to allow all levels of players to find their sweet spot.

    Thank you for making this comment and this is one great point. You are an awesome stand up guy for standing up for someone. 2K has done better job for accessibility.

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