More RNG?

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@Katybee_1313 wrote:

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@RichAC wrote:

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Tahts because everyone left the game.   and many who are not playing online probably would be, if they considered it playable.    I'm judging by the fact the forums were literally dominated by requests for online play features immediately at launch.   This is a sport.   Its an e-sport no matter how much you guys don't want to admit it.  Its ironic The dozen of you left here  keep saying you want a simulation golf game,  but in real life would yoou go to the golf course and play by yourself?  I feel the requests and +1's for turnbased over everything else was 99 to 1.   absolutely.   I hope they give me some of my money back when they take the servers down for this game on the pc.

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E-sport? That's the problem for me and many others here. Why should I play against others who are sandbagers, cheaters, and once I'm ahead in a game, ragequit to not give me the pleasure to win a game? And they take forever to hit their shot to the last darn second because they're calculating or looking on a spreadsheet before hitting their shot. It takes forever, I have a life.  I can count on one hand the number of turn-based stroke play I have played in my life. And a four-ball to please a friend, it was exactly 1 and I almost fell asleep before playing 9 holes.  Again, I have a life. Playing stroke play to me seems about the same as those old folks in McDonald spending all their morning drinking coffee and chatting with others. I like chatting but far from a social butterfly with nothing else to do. It's your life and you enjoy turn-based, good for you. But you're in the minority, just like those folks in McDonald drinking coffee all morning.

And I can also tell you those starting stroke turn-based play on TW14 were waiting a long time, nobody wanted to play them. Because again, most people have a life.

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I love this... you will always find people trying to game the system. To get every edge they can regardless of how ethical it is. It is just a sign of the world we live in.

And you are not wrong about some people measuring out every parameter, wind speed, elevation difference... yards to the hole... etc. That is why in 2K we turn everything off, the wind only shows the meter, no percentage loss or elevation difference. There is no aiming reticule to set your yardage..  and distance to the pin comes from your yardage book.

It is also why I play with a small group of friends, rather than in an online community. With online play I think you have to treat it like giving money to a street person.. don't have any expectations. Play because it felt good to do it... and don't be so concerned about the results. That's just your pride talking.

I see cheating even in my small group but they woukd take offense if you called them on it. How else can you explain if we play on SIM settings they shoot 10 strokes better... than we all agree to play on open settings that are more difficult than the SIM presets?

I wish EA would let us lockdown private room gameplay/visual settings individually like 2K.

Anyway you made me chuckle about the spreadsheet comment, I can see people trying to resolve a math problem when making a shot... 

"Hmmm... 5 yards for every mpg of wind under 8 then 8 yards for anything more... plus 3 yards for elevation difference... unless it is on a Sunday after 3 pm... or where the month ends with ber... and the year is an even number"

Hit the ball already.... RNG is going to nullify what you calculated.

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@Katybee_1313 wrote:

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@RichAC wrote:

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Tahts because everyone left the game.   and many who are not playing online probably would be, if they considered it playable.    I'm judging by the fact the forums were literally dominated by requests for online play features immediately at launch.   This is a sport.   Its an e-sport no matter how much you guys don't want to admit it.  Its ironic The dozen of you left here  keep saying you want a simulation golf game,  but in real life would yoou go to the golf course and play by yourself?  I feel the requests and +1's for turnbased over everything else was 99 to 1.   absolutely.   I hope they give me some of my money back when they take the servers down for this game on the pc.

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E-sport? That's the problem for me and many others here. Why should I play against others who are sandbagers, cheaters, and once I'm ahead in a game, ragequit to not give me the pleasure to win a game? And they take forever to hit their shot to the last darn second because they're calculating or looking on a spreadsheet before hitting their shot. It takes forever, I have a life.  I can count on one hand the number of turn-based stroke play I have played in my life. And a four-ball to please a friend, it was exactly 1 and I almost fell asleep before playing 9 holes.  Again, I have a life. Playing stroke play to me seems about the same as those old folks in McDonald spending all their morning drinking coffee and chatting with others. I like chatting but far from a social butterfly with nothing else to do. It's your life and you enjoy turn-based, good for you. But you're in the minority, just like those folks in McDonald drinking coffee all morning.

And I can also tell you those starting stroke turn-based play on TW14 were waiting a long time, nobody wanted to play them. Because again, most people have a life.

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ah now you admit.  Thats what it always boils down to and I agree. Thats really why some of you keep calling for sim mode and pretending thats what most people want to play.  But even YOU would prefer to play online if it was fair and sporting.     Thats why I'm playing 2k23 now it has a rating  and ranking system with various tiers to keep matches competitive.  And it seems to be full of players at all skill levels.   I'm having a blast.   Feels like the very early days of ea's pga tour before it got completely pwned.

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@agentputt wrote:

@ELF014So if someone shoots -10 on SIM ? They are automatically a cheater?

That’s a wild accusation

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They would be called a cheater of course if they always hit -10 consistently and winning tournaments with no competition as a hypothetical example because it simply would not feel human.  I myself would have to dumb down my character or stop playing the game because I would be embarrassed.     To be so consistently better than everyone else  would be like .001% of the population who go pro,   and to keep playing the game with no competition or players below their skill level is just not gratifying to a truly competitive player.   It would dull their skills and make them a worse player.   In real life they would garner a horrible reputation but wouldn't be able to remain anonymous or change face.  The anonymity in online gaming is why society is never going to respect e-sports in our life time.  There is no proof ever needed especially for those with good sports sense.      But that being said some measures could be put in place to help ensure more fair play and competitive matchups and thats what 2k23 has at least done and its why thats what everyone is playing.

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@Katybee_1313 wrote:

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E-sport? That's the problem for me and many others here. Why should I play against others who are sandbagers, cheaters, and once I'm ahead in a game, ragequit to not give me the pleasure to win a game? And they take forever to hit their shot to the last darn second because they're calculating or looking on a spreadsheet before hitting their shot. It takes forever, I have a life.  I can count on one hand the number of turn-based stroke play I have played in my life. And a four-ball to please a friend, it was exactly 1 and I almost fell asleep before playing 9 holes.  Again, I have a life. Playing stroke play to me seems about the same as those old folks in McDonald spending all their morning drinking coffee and chatting with others. I like chatting but far from a social butterfly with nothing else to do. It's your life and you enjoy turn-based, good for you. But you're in the minority, just like those folks in McDonald drinking coffee all morning.

And I can also tell you those starting stroke turn-based play on TW14 were waiting a long time, nobody wanted to play them. Because again, most people have a life.

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I remembered when we were talking about revenue and investing on other posts. The same applies for online modes. Games like EA FC 24, UFC 5 and NBA 2K24 not only have the high revenues, but also robust online game modes. Even though I don’t play online modes, I watch YouTube videos on online gamers for NBA 2K24 to determine if a player is worth buying. From those videos, the posters mention that the enhanced enforcement on cheaters, rage quitters and someone equivalent to sandbaggers can be severe. That is what revenue can provide. EA PGA Tour does not have that revenue to provide an enhanced enforcement like in NBA 2K. In addition, golf is a way more slower paced game compared to Basketball, Football and MMA. Playing online in EA FC, UFC or NBA 2K will not make us like the folks in McDonald’s drinking coffee. I also need time to do some salsa dancing as well.