overswing/underswing
have you noticed that when you hit your shot and it's an under swing it comes up short? it's a 100% chance that if the shot isn't the "correct" shot (club and distance) it will be an under swing (no...
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@7AnimalMother wrote:To me it has always made sense for exactly the reason you are conjecturing: 100% equals smooth controlled swing. 105% means you are trying to murder it and shoulder turning more than your normal consistent, effective swing.
I'd also submit there IS a bit of a premium on the path for overswings. Certainly, in my experience, the ball will go further offline if you overswing and deviate from the path as opposed to underwing deviations.
I know from other posts you started playing with spec less golfers without attributes applied. When I see a lot of posts about inconsistent swings and RNG, I always wonder where people are in the game, because while I would certainly agree that sub level 50/no specs there is a considerable amount of RNG, I'm really not seeing it after.
I would actually would agree with your assessment. When I was playing with a fully powered up character I was pretty deadly with my shot making. Which is why we started playing without attributes.
I also knew that keeping my swing with my drives under 100% ensured that I kept the ball in the fairway.
My problem is that the RNG plays far too much a role in this game. And that results should be based much more on player input rather than some random event.
The game is far too easy when you are powered up, and additional shot types just adds to the problem. And if you remove all these the game can get pretty random. It doesn't stop you from shooting low in the game... but it makes the game not enjoyable because until you get to a shot type with less dispersion like a chip or putt you never feel in control.
@ELF014 wrote:My problem is that the RNG plays far too much a role in this game. And that results should be based much more on player input rather than some random event.
Honestly, I'd go the other way lol.
I think it plays to small a role in the game or it isn't being applied correctly. I can land in the heavy rough on courses with a drive (and drives absolutely SHOULD have large dispersions considering tour average fairways hit are about 50%), and unless it's a long par 5 that requires me to hit >7 iron, there is basically no penalty (and this is with a big fat 0 in recovery attributes).
I mean sure it may say my ball will be 85%-96% power out of that lie, but for all intents and purposes it's giving me 100% distance with maybe just a tiny bit less spin.
This is to me where the game really fails. The penalties out of anything in heavy rough, normal rough (not first cut), or sand are non-existent.... These shots -SHOULD- have a large dose of random for the simple fact that even with a good swing, the amount of grass between the club and the ball is hugely variable and leads to unexpected results.
Another thing I'll mention. Tour players hitting ~50% fairways isn't so much because they made bad swings with their drivers, but because the courses they play have over the years been designed/re-designed to put choices at common driving distances. Now you see fairways narrowing at 280 yards. Or tees are moved back so at around that distance now water is in play, or the curve of the fairway is now exposed at that distance, and you can drive through the curve.
When I'm missing the fairway in the game, it's usually more these reasons as well as opposed to a bad swing or "rng" sending me off track. Its more along the lines of I tried to cut the corner of a dogleg and misjudged and ended up in the rough. Or I decided to bust out the power drive even though the fairway narrows to 25 yards in the landing area.
In most cases the extra distance is worth the risk (especially in this game with no penalty from the rough).
One thing that always interests me is I am one of the few people who hits 3 wood frequently in online matches. I see people seem to always bust out the driver and fling it as far as possible regardless of the hole distance. For me, I won't hit driver on holes that can't be driven if you are going to be further out than 20 yards (out of flop range) but closer than 80 yards after the drive. 80 yards is that point where you can finesse shot with 2-3 different wedges and really select the appropriate amount of spin with club and height combo. If you are under 80 yards and get forced to use a pitch or sometimes even a finesse with a 60+, you will be less accurate.
I agree much more with your last comment.
As for PGA Tour players hitting 50% of their fairways... I agree more that this is the case of the courses. That balls rolling out to the first cut are no longer in the fairway. And that in many cases players are hitting hitting for distance where the rough may not be an issue. So I think that PGA Driving accuracy might be a bit of a red herring.
If you have watched them in the range they can stripe ball after ball straight down the range. It is not RNG that is causing them to miss fairways in most cases.
It is more often a bad swing. Which should be replicated in the game with the swing path/timing.
I have always said I wanted random dispersion in the game because no one hits the same shot over and over within an inch. I would rather see the dispersion increase as your swing path/timing gets more away from a perfect shot.
The mechanics of this game were just really poorly conceived. Unfortunately it didn't just stop at the mechanics, there are issues as we know in many aspects of this game.
