Please REMOVE Crooked Numbers
It’s got to go, it’s just not fun. 15mph, then a rainbow putt line from 4 feet away, terrible courses, terrible greens. It’s like I can only play 3 days a week online if I’m lucky with these not fun ...
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@Weyland4kI have an Xbox account of the same name, but I no longer play Xbox. I attached pictures of my pro/arcade and sim records in Stroke Play. I'm 426-9 in Pro and 96-0 in Arcade. This comes out to 522-9 in Pro/Arcade Settings and 348-9 in Sim but these aren't even ranked high on Playstation 5 leaderboards because I quit playing this mode many seasons ago. I hadn't checked these rankings in many months and I told you I thought I was somewhere near 500-5 and 522-9 is pretty close to that number. There are a lot of skilled players on Playstation, many of whom I've played against. I don't claim to be the best by any stretch, but I do have a very high winning percentage in all online modes. My only point was that wind on pro doesn't make it much harder than 1-2 mph in my opinion if you simply know how to spin the ball well. I've actually played countless rounds on Pro where I never had more than a 5 footer for the entire round. On sim, I've gotten used to making 10, 20, and even 30 foot putts relatively consistently because you are forced to learn how to truly putt by playing that mode when there aren't any beads or white lines showing you the way the putt moves. The white line can actually be a hindrance more than a help on lots of putts and I oftentimes don't look at it unless it's a long eagle putt on a driveable par 4. I've been playing the game for a full year already, so you can take my opinions with a grain of salt if you'd like.
@packattack04082 wrote:@Weyland4kI have an Xbox account of the same name, but I no longer play Xbox. I attached pictures of my pro/arcade and sim records in Stroke Play. I'm 426-9 in Pro and 96-0 in Arcade. This comes out to 522-9 in Pro/Arcade Settings and 348-9 in Sim but these aren't even ranked high on Playstation 5 leaderboards because I quit playing this mode many seasons ago. I hadn't checked these rankings in many months and I told you I thought I was somewhere near 500-5 and 522-9 is pretty close to that number. There are a lot of skilled players on Playstation, many of whom I've played against. I don't claim to be the best by any stretch, but I do have a very high winning percentage in all online modes. My only point was that wind on pro doesn't make it much harder than 1-2 mph in my opinion if you simply know how to spin the ball well. I've actually played countless rounds on Pro where I never had more than a 5 footer for the entire round. On sim, I've gotten used to making 10, 20, and even 30 foot putts relatively consistently because you are forced to learn how to truly putt by playing that mode when there aren't any beads or white lines showing you the way the putt moves. The white line can actually be a hindrance more than a help on lots of putts and I oftentimes don't look at it unless it's a long eagle putt on a driveable par 4. I've been playing the game for a full year already, so you can take my opinions with a grain of salt if you'd like.
My first post got deleted, not sure why, but I’ll give it another go.
I went back and looked, you did say Arcade, but big walls of text with no paragraphs are hard for me to read so I only saw Pro and tbh, I haven’t seen Arcade matches but I did leave for a while.
426-9-30 in 82 matches on Stroke Sim Pro does read differently than 500-5 to be honest. I’m sure if you played 99’s on Match Play your record might look a lot differently. Either way, those are good numbers, you’re a good player which brings me to my past point.
With a limited playlist feature online, the top 1% - 5% should not be catered to, at all. What you find challenging, the other 95% doesn’t. You have to be reasonable and think of others, speak the common tongue. For a game like this to succeed, units need to be sold, players need to want to want to play again and again. When the game is too hard, players don’t want to play.
At this high of frequency, Crooked Numbers should be removed or at least downsized exponentially.
Lastly, Pro matches are how it’s always been: birds and eagle as a baseline and the best to beat the best need to hole out. The top players on XBL do not hole out with a high frequency, they bird and eagle mostly. Holing out is the hardest thing to do in this game and it’s harder now than Tigers of the past.
- @Weyland4k I said arcade/pro (not just pro) so 522-9 is not far at all from 500-5. It's literally 98.3% winning percentage versus 99.0%, which is almost identical when looking at the big picture here. I couldn't remember the exact record and was barely off on my guess (.7%). Either way, 870-18 in Arcade/Pro/Sim seems pretty good to me and I've never seen anyone with a win percentage that is even remotely close to that. I average 50 wins per loss over those modes in my life. I don't play this mode anymore anyway because I got tired of it after a while but still think that all of the windy playlists should be a mainstay in this game. If making all birdies and eagles is the standard, why would people not rather have 10-15mph winds to make the challenge at least a little bit harder? When you shoot -22 with your eyes closed in 1-2mph wind, where is the fun in that? I could play match play vs 99's all day and win every match on pro, but the fun for me is playing Sim like this https://youtu.be/EkHs37zukJY and shooting -21 with no blue shot trail line, no white putting line, no elevation or wind numbers and no putting beads on the greens in 10+ mph winds.
You can have your opinion on the Crooked Numbers playlist. Everyone has a different view of things that they like and don't like. Unfortunately, the game wasn't designed well for online play and EA implemented nearly every aspect of it poorly and I probably won't play it much more as a result. Best of luck to you as you continue to play and hopefully enjoy this game.
@packattack04082 wrote:
@Weyland4kI said arcade/pro (not just pro) so 522-9 is not far at all from 500-5. It's literally 98.3% winning percentage versus 99.0%, which is almost identical when looking at the big picture here. I couldn't remember the exact record and was barely off on my guess (.7%). Either way, 870-18 in Arcade/Pro/Sim seems pretty good to me and I've never seen anyone with a win percentage that is even remotely close to that. I average 50 wins per loss over those modes in my life. I don't play this mode anymore anyway because I got tired of it after a while but still think that all of the windy playlists should be a mainstay in this game. If making all birdies and eagles is the standard, why would people not rather have 10-15mph winds to make the challenge at least a little bit harder? When you shoot -22 with your eyes closed in 1-2mph wind, where is the fun in that? I could play match play vs 99's all day and win every match on pro, but the fun for me is playing Sim like this https://youtu.be/EkHs37zukJY and shooting -21 with no blue shot trail line, no white putting line, no elevation or wind numbers and no putting beads on the greens in 10+ mph winds.
You can have your opinion on the Crooked Numbers playlist. Everyone has a different view of things that they like and don't like. Unfortunately, the game wasn't designed well for online play and EA implemented nearly every aspect of it poorly and I probably won't play it much more as a result. Best of luck to you as you continue to play and hopefully enjoy this game.I know you said Arcade/Pro and I said in my last reply that due to you posting a wall of text with no paragraphs, I have a hard time reading so I only saw Pro. I even apologized when I didn’t need to. I’m on a tablet and the screen is small, walls of text are hard to read. I literally opened with that statement in my last post, paragraph #2 sentence #1.
It has nothing to do with whatever ratio you want to use, the facts are it’s 76 less wins, almost double the losses and 30 ties. That’s a considerable difference against who knows we’re in that lobby. If you want to post ratios, I’m undefeated on Match Play against 99’s mostly and I set my skill points to 85 so the cherry-pickers won’t leave, That’s 100% wins against a lot of tip top players with 10’s of thousands of wins combined using 15 less skill points. I’m not using it because it’s not relevant.
I never said it was the “standard,” what I said was birds and eagles should be a baseline and to beat the best of the best you need to hole out, that’s how It’s always been. I also said that the top players are mostly hitting birds and eagles and not holing out as frequently as one would expect, so deductively it’s not a standard for everybody. I’m talking about being the best in that breath, do you understand that now?Also, I’m talking about the best, not the average Joe. Again, the top 5% shouldn’t be catered to, that means you. You should not be catered to because you’re one of the top players and want the most challenging experience online all the time. It’s not fair to other players. If a AAA studio only catered to the top 5% ranked players, they would fold up like a chair. A game needs to be considerate to all levels of play, not just focus on the tip top who want extreme challenge all week long. Do you think that’s unreasonable?
I don’t want to be stressed with 15 mph winds on the majority of matches online when there is little time to play because the playlists are terrible. I want to relax and have fun. Some people think stress is fun, I don’t and I think most people agree that stress is not fun. Stress is linked to medical conditions, it’s a law of nature lol. I think going -22 is fun and you don’t get there without a lot of work. When you hit -22 regularly, it’s because you’re good, not an average Joe.
Additonally, EA has never had winds work properly since forever. Every single Tiger, every single year, had problems with winds and Patels physics engine is broken or coded to have RNG. Most players want to have fun and relax, not get punished by brutal winds all week long and if it’s not that, it’s courses with broken greens. The current playlist system is poor.
Someone sent me a screenshot of a poll on FB that asked if they would rather have playlists or set it up themselves and it was like 144 to 8 that people disliked the playlists. That is a significant number, overwhelming in fact. The current system is not liked by the vast vast majority of players, it’s a literal fact.
How can you say you’ll win every single match on Pro Match Play against 99’s with a straight face? That’s absolutely not true, you’re saying you’re unbeatable against the literal 1%. Nobody is unbeatable, not even the best at the game.
@Weyland4k wrote:It has nothing to do with whatever ratio you want to use, the facts are it’s 76 less wins, almost double the losses and 30 ties. That’s a considerable difference against who knows we’re in that lobby.
It's not 76 less wins than I first stated. It's actually 22 more wins than I estimated. 522 is more than the 500 that I estimated and 9 losses was 4 more losses than I estimated. The ties are irrelevant because ties are virtually a guarantee on pro and I never even mentioned ties in the original post. You are excluding the 96-0-0 in Arcade when it's the essentially the exact same mode as Pro and it was also included in my 500-5 estimate. I actually just remembered why I thought my record was 5 losses. I had 1 match where I went 0-4 because EA servers booted me, so my record is actually 522-5 if you take those 4 losses that I had no control over. At least 80% of the players I played against were level 99's when playing on Arcade / Pro and a large chunk of them were versus top 50 players on the overall leaderboard, including every single player in the top 10. You act like I misled in my first statement, when my self-admitted estimate was off by a whopping .7% win percentage. I don't know why you're even still talking about it as it's irrelevant to this topic at this point. My only point in all of this is that people should expect to play in high wind. High wind is a huge part of golf and it should certainly be included in some of the rotating playlists. especially Pro, which poses no challenge in windless conditions. If you don't like those playlists, then simply skip them on that day. Every person is in the same boat here, not just you. If you're stressed while playing online in high wind, then that is a challenge that you should overcome. Learn how to play and be more relaxed in those conditions, but don't take out your anger out on other people who can play the game without being stressed.The best players in this game are well rounded, meaning they are not only good at one specific difficulty mode or wind setting. In my opinion, Pro is way too easy as it basically gives you all of the data and tools you need to hit every shot to within feet of the hole and a direct putt line that shows you EXACTLY where to aim (distance and direction). Playing Pro is almost akin to a self driving car where very little input is even required. I've shot as low as -31 before on a Pro Tournament in low wind, so you can see how crazy scores can get on that mode when you use all of those tools that make it super easy. Other difficulties make you earn birdies and eagles by forcing the player to learn how to properly play the game (adjust for wind/lie angle and read greens) once all of the PRO aids and tools are stripped away. That's why I think every option from pro to sim and low wind to high wind should be present. I hate low wind in the same way that you hate high wind, so both of us have had days with playlists that we don't really want to play, but I'm not going to demand that EA remove all low wind playlists. It's just part of the way the game has been for a long time now. Hopefully EA comes up with something better down the road to make players more satisfied.
At this point, I'm officially done with this topic and won't be coming back to it as it has gotten off track. I've said my piece and so have you. I respectfully disagree with your opinions on high wind but that is fine. Best of luck to you Weyland4K and I hope that you continue to enjoy the game.
