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Re: Please REMOVE Crooked Numbers


@packattack04082 wrote:
@Weyland4kI feel like this is the best playlist in the game. Anything less than 8-12 wind is just really boring and basically amounts to a birdie fest. I guess everyone views it differently but I'd hate it if this playlist got removed.

I still birdie 97% of it so it’s not really a valid statement to says it’ll just be a “birdie fest”. If you can play, you can play, right? It’s just not fun and it’s not just the winds, it’s the terrible most terrible courses with terrible rainbow putts at 4 feet. It’s too stressful, I play golf to RELAX.

Even on Forward Tees Pro today, it’s like Evian or Wolf Creek almost every single time. Evian is a borked course, the greens have terrible broken lines. It’s stressful playing Evian. I just want to play some nice sources and RELAX, not get stressed seeing a squiggly line at under 5 feet. Wolf Creek can be fun, but like once in a while and not all day either. 

Think about new people coming in and not the high ranks (I’m decently ranked), all they do is lose and don’t even have a fighting chance because if they’re not being matched with a high ranked player, they’re overmatched on a terrible course.

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  • @Weyland4kAre you playing Tour/Sim because 10-15 mph wind is definitely not a 'birdie fest'? It's not easy to birdie 97% of the holes on tour/sim in high winds, but on Pro it is super easy regardless of the wind. It really depends on what difficulty you are playing. Sim is the most fun mode in the game and the only one that I really enjoy anymore.  Wind makes shooting a perfect score on Sim or Tour feel rewarding.  On low wind, even Sim is way too easy to shoot a perfect score so Crooked numbers is the best playlist to ensure more of a challenge in terms of wind on any difficulty.  Any playlist with 1-2 or even 2-4 mph wind is horrible in my opinion.

  • Katybee_1313's avatar
    Katybee_1313
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    A few weeks ago, I tried match play and had a cuss word after seeing the game loading with Wolf Creek. Ended up happy after seeing the game not starting, maybe with the other guy feeling the same and just quitting.

  • Weyland4k's avatar
    Weyland4k
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:

    @Weyland4kAre you playing Tour/Sim because 10-15 mph wind is definitely not a 'birdie fest'? It's not easy to birdie 97% of the holes on tour/sim in high winds, but on Pro it is super easy regardless of the wind. It really depends on what difficulty you are playing. Sim is the most fun mode in the game and the only one that I really enjoy anymore.  Wind makes shooting a perfect score on Sim or Tour feel rewarding.  On low wind, even Sim is way too easy to shoot a perfect score so Crooked numbers is the best playlist to ensure more of a challenge in terms of wind on any difficulty.  Any playlist with 1-2 or even 2-4 mph wind is horrible in my opinion.


    I only play Pro and I should have mentioned that in my original post, I apologize for the lack of clarification.

    I don’t mind if SIM people want winds, fine, give it to them, just keep it out of Pro at such a high frequency. We’re not playing Pro for high winds and exceedingly difficult courses/greens 24/7. We’re just not.

    On Pro it’s not super easy lol. Depending on the direction, there are different decimal algorithms to wind computation if you want to get within 5ft to the cup based on wind alone. It’s not a one size fits all by far. I’ve mapped it, the wind has different multipliers based on directions on a clock. 6 is stronger than 12, etc. It’s mathematical facts and you can get in real trouble if you compute wind to the face like you do to the back on certain clubs.

    It’s not easy if you haven’t mastered it. “Easy” is a loaded word right? People that hole out every round say it’s easy, of course to them it is, but to the other 95% of players, it’s not. So be careful and think before you say “easy” because it’s not that cut and dry.

    Also, I play Tour guys all the time who say Pro is easy and they end up shooting -12 while I’ll put up a -22 and up. There is a bit of an elite mentality with Tour/Sim guys and they greatly underperform on Pro regularly.

    I’m not the best, but I do play on a high level and it’s not easy to birdie and eagle everything all the time in all conditions, that’s preposterous. I’ve been in lobbies with the tip top ranked players in the game and they birdie/eagle everything when you would expect them to hole out every round, they don’t. The baseline for Tiger was birdie/eagle everything and those who can hole out will win. It’s not like that anymore, being consistent hitting birds and eagles every single shot is top 5 global.

  • @Weyland4kI rarely make a mistake on a hole on pro, regardless of the conditions. I shot -21 on the weekly sim tournament this week and that round was in 8-12 mph winds at Whistling Straits from the Black Tees.  That round included 15 birdies and 3 eagles with 0 pars on the hardest difficulty setting in the game.  I stopped playing online pro/arcade because it was way too easy. I think my record was something like 500-5 on pro/arcade and those 5 losses were all because my opponents had 1 or multiple hole-outs. When I say 'easy', I just mean that Pro takes very little thought or skill most of the time because you can spin it to within 5 feet almost every single hole if you know what you are doing.  You even said that you can birdie 97% of the holes, which sure as heck makes Pro sound very easy. Putting is almost a non-factor except on long driveable par 4s where you might have a long putt because you can't control those shots nearly as much.  The game has gotten so easy on most settings that I usually just play private matches now on Sim in 18-25 mph wind, which is the highest setting in the game and I usually shoot -10 to -14 even in those settings.  I wish they'd add 18-25 mph options to tournaments and playlists too.  I agree that the course selection in Crooked Numbers isn't the best, but still think EA needs to find a better way to include all courses into the playlists.  Most people hate the rotating playlists but the player base is so small that I don't know what the best solution is anymore. 

  • Weyland4k's avatar
    Weyland4k
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:

    @Weyland4kI rarely make a mistake on a hole on pro, regardless of the conditions. I shot -21 on the weekly sim tournament this week and that round was in 8-12 mph winds at Whistling Straits from the Black Tees.  That round included 15 birdies and 3 eagles with 0 pars on the hardest difficulty setting in the game.  I stopped playing online pro/arcade because it was way too easy. I think my record was something like 500-5 on pro/arcade and those 5 losses were all because my opponents had 1 or multiple hole-outs. When I say 'easy', I just mean that Pro takes very little thought or skill most of the time because you can spin it to within 5 feet almost every single hole if you know what you are doing.  You even said that you can birdie 97% of the holes, which sure as heck makes Pro sound very easy. Putting is almost a non-factor except on long driveable par 4s where you might have a long putt because you can't control those shots nearly as much.  The game has gotten so easy on most settings that I usually just play private matches now on Sim in 18-25 mph wind, which is the highest setting in the game and I usually shoot -10 to -14 even in those settings.  I wish they'd add 18-25 mph options to tournaments and playlists too.  I agree that the course selection in Crooked Numbers isn't the best, but still think EA needs to find a better way to include all courses into the playlists.  Most people hate the rotating playlists but the player base is so small that I don't know what the best solution is anymore. 


    What platform are you on?

  • Katybee_1313's avatar
    Katybee_1313
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:

      Most people hate the rotating playlists but the player base is so small that I don't know what the best solution is anymore. 


    Yeah, I'm sure the reason of this playlist is to not divide the community, specially for the few PC players. At the same time, I think it also reduce the community as I'm sure I'm not alone not wasting my time to play something I don't like. And when I find something I like, ending up with Wolf Creek is enough to not want to play again online for a long time. I haven't look online since the match I talked about this morning.

  • @Katybee_1313 I hate certain courses too. Evian, Torrey Pines, Wolf Creek are all ones that I dislike, mostly because the greens are awful to putt on. I also hate Royal Liverpool because it's the most bland course in the game with very flat greens. I wish the online mode was more thoughtfully designed but I doubt EA will change it at this point. I've mostly quit online play these days because wins don't count in 4somes at least 30% of the time and just got tired of grinding that mode for no reason if sometimes as simple as wins/losses aren't going to count.
  • Katybee_1313's avatar
    Katybee_1313
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    I never play Foursomes because I have a life, it takes forever. So that is one out of the way in the choice given to us right off the bat.

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    Weyland4k
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:
    @Weyland4kPS5

    Odd because I see an account with your exact name on XBL and you’re not on any leaderboard.

    500-5 on Pro? There must be an exponential amount of low level players on PS still then. I wouldn’t mind seeing a screen though because that’s the best record in the world across any platform! I was just looking at the records on XBL and after doing the math, nobody comes close to 500-5 (pro-rated) on Pro setting.


    I hit birds and eagles at such a high frequency because I’m a good player that’s paid my dues. It takes skill, it’s not easy. I played 4 career modes with 4 rounds per major (which I never did on any Tiger ever, maybe 1 run through until my stats got maxed then it was online), countless privates and lot of online.

    It’s not easy, it’s work and you just can’t spin the ball 5ft to every hole lol, you have to have a deep understanding of how the clubs work, tempo, and how every green hits.

    And putting is far from a non-factor, that’s such a non-statement. Even some of these 5-10 foot rainbows on Evian, Torrey, etc are really hard. Right before this post, I literally just beat the #13 (12k wins) and #16 (8k wins) global on XBL, I only got like 500 wins because I just started online this season. I’m no slouch and I’m telling you, it’s not easy.

    Let’s pretend you’re really 500-5 and whatever on Pro, you’ve just admitted to being the #1 pro-rated Pro player across all platforms so essentially, your opinion on what’s easy or not is ultimately null in void. What’s easy for you, isn’t easy for 90%+ of global players. You don’t speak for the people, you’re the most rare and endangered species alive. What you like doesn’t translate to the general player base. Going back to your original posts here in this thread, this absolute truth holds a lot of weight.

  • Katybee_1313's avatar
    Katybee_1313
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    I can vouch for @packattack04082 , he's ranked 3rd for tournaments right now and was ranked 1st for a long time. For weekly at Whistling Straits, the top guys on PS5 are scoring very low, leader is -27 at Arcade, -25 Pro, -21 Tour and Pack is leading at -21 Sim.

  • @Weyland4kI have an Xbox account of the same name, but I no longer play Xbox.  I attached pictures of my pro/arcade and sim records in Stroke Play.  I'm 426-9 in Pro and 96-0 in Arcade.  This comes out to 522-9 in Pro/Arcade Settings and 348-9 in Sim but these aren't even ranked high on Playstation 5 leaderboards because I quit playing this mode many seasons ago.  I hadn't checked these rankings in many months and I told you I thought I was somewhere near 500-5 and 522-9 is pretty close to that number.  There are a lot of skilled players on Playstation, many of whom I've played against.  I don't claim to be the best by any stretch, but I do have a  very high winning percentage in all online modes.  My only point was that wind on pro doesn't make it much harder than 1-2 mph in my opinion if you simply know how to spin the ball well.  I've actually played countless rounds on Pro where I never had more than a 5 footer for the entire round. On sim, I've gotten used to making 10, 20, and even 30 foot putts relatively consistently because you are forced to learn how to truly putt by playing that mode when there aren't any beads or white lines showing you the way the putt moves.  The white line can actually be a hindrance more than a help on lots of putts and I oftentimes don't look at it unless it's a long eagle putt on a driveable par 4.  I've been playing the game for a full year already, so you can take my opinions with a grain of salt if you'd like.

  • @Katybee_1313Still 1st in tournaments right now actually 😉  EDIT - I presume you meant for this season, which I am 3rd.  I've skipped a few events I didn't really feel like playing.

  • Weyland4k's avatar
    Weyland4k
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:

    @Weyland4kI have an Xbox account of the same name, but I no longer play Xbox.  I attached pictures of my pro/arcade and sim records in Stroke Play.  I'm 426-9 in Pro and 96-0 in Arcade.  This comes out to 522-9 in Pro/Arcade Settings and 348-9 in Sim but these aren't even ranked high on Playstation 5 leaderboards because I quit playing this mode many seasons ago.  I hadn't checked these rankings in many months and I told you I thought I was somewhere near 500-5 and 522-9 is pretty close to that number.  There are a lot of skilled players on Playstation, many of whom I've played against.  I don't claim to be the best by any stretch, but I do have a  very high winning percentage in all online modes.  My only point was that wind on pro doesn't make it much harder than 1-2 mph in my opinion if you simply know how to spin the ball well.  I've actually played countless rounds on Pro where I never had more than a 5 footer for the entire round. On sim, I've gotten used to making 10, 20, and even 30 foot putts relatively consistently because you are forced to learn how to truly putt by playing that mode when there aren't any beads or white lines showing you the way the putt moves.  The white line can actually be a hindrance more than a help on lots of putts and I oftentimes don't look at it unless it's a long eagle putt on a driveable par 4.  I've been playing the game for a full year already, so you can take my opinions with a grain of salt if you'd like.


    I went back and looked, you did say Arcade, but you post a wall of text without paragraphs and it’s harder to read so I only saw Pro, which is my mistake. I apologize. I left the game for a long time and didn’t know they did Arcade matches which is way easier than it’s ever been with a full line compared to old Tiger Amateur mode. It’s just too easy.

    For Pro, 426-9-30 in 82 matches reads differently than 500-5. But to be honest, regardless if those numbers would be sustainable or not, you put up really good numbers.

    I think if you do match play online and play 99’s, your record is going to look a lot different. The top guys on Pro play as it’s always been, hole out to win which is the hardest thing to do in this game, all difficulties considered. To say that’s easy is simply not true. Tigers of yesteryear, different story, this release holing out is waaaaay harder than it’s ever been.

    Top 1-5% and people at those ranks shouldn’t be catered to, which fortifies my original post that Crooked Numbers should be removed for all difficulties at this frequency.

    I’m sure the average level Tour or Sim player dislike it more than they like it as well.

    But one thing that is an absolute truth, the top 5% should never be catered to. It’s not fair to everyone else and in the gaming world, units need to be sold, players are needed to come back, make it too hard and you have a handful of people which kills the product. I think that’s very reasonable.

  • @-Roasted513- What is hard to believe about a 99% win rate? You only need top 5% in dailies, and top 15% in weekly Pro and 20% in weekly arcade. It's not like I finish in 1st place even 10% of the time on most tournaments. Top 5% is pretty lenient to get winner and only sim tournaments really present a challenge in getting top 5% because they typically have way less entries so there is less room for error. PS5 tournaments are also way more populated than PC or Xbox based on everything I've heard.

    If you have doubts, here is a video of my weekly Sim round of -21 from this week at Whistling Straits.

    https://youtu.be/EkHs37zukJY
  • lolwhat1234's avatar
    lolwhat1234
    2 years ago

    Comparing the win % of top players across platforms is meaningless. We'd have people putting up similar win rates on pc if top 5% didn't translate to top 3.

    Back on topic, I like high winds. On pro especially, it's necessary to create separation between weak and strong players. Maybe if they disabled the putt line (like in the challenges) it would be fine to play lower wind pro. But as it is, players can hit poor approach shots and still be gifted a birdie by the putt line. At least with high winds they're more likely to actually drop strokes.

    Agree with the courses though. Evian, Torrey and Wolf Creek seem to get a disproportionate amount of playtime. Wouldn't mind seeing the course playlist refreshed. And wouldn't mind also seeing them not using the same "random" tournaments every few weeks...

  • PalomaMarvel24's avatar
    PalomaMarvel24
    Seasoned Ace
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:
    @-Roasted513-What is hard to believe about a 99% win rate? You only need top 5% in dailies, and top 15% in weekly Pro and 20% in weekly arcade. It's not like I finish in 1st place even 10% of the time on most tournaments. Top 5% is pretty lenient to get winner and only sim tournaments really present a challenge in getting top 5% because they typically have way less entries so there is less room for error. PS5 tournaments are also way more populated than PC or Xbox based on everything I've heard.

    If you have doubts, here is a video of my weekly Sim round of -21 from this week at Whistling Straits.

    https://youtu.be/EkHs37zukJY

    This is an awesome response to a gamer who can’t stand being outshined in the leaderboard. Your scores are amazing.

  • Weyland4k's avatar
    Weyland4k
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:

    @Weyland4kI have an Xbox account of the same name, but I no longer play Xbox.  I attached pictures of my pro/arcade and sim records in Stroke Play.  I'm 426-9 in Pro and 96-0 in Arcade.  This comes out to 522-9 in Pro/Arcade Settings and 348-9 in Sim but these aren't even ranked high on Playstation 5 leaderboards because I quit playing this mode many seasons ago.  I hadn't checked these rankings in many months and I told you I thought I was somewhere near 500-5 and 522-9 is pretty close to that number.  There are a lot of skilled players on Playstation, many of whom I've played against.  I don't claim to be the best by any stretch, but I do have a  very high winning percentage in all online modes.  My only point was that wind on pro doesn't make it much harder than 1-2 mph in my opinion if you simply know how to spin the ball well.  I've actually played countless rounds on Pro where I never had more than a 5 footer for the entire round. On sim, I've gotten used to making 10, 20, and even 30 foot putts relatively consistently because you are forced to learn how to truly putt by playing that mode when there aren't any beads or white lines showing you the way the putt moves.  The white line can actually be a hindrance more than a help on lots of putts and I oftentimes don't look at it unless it's a long eagle putt on a driveable par 4.  I've been playing the game for a full year already, so you can take my opinions with a grain of salt if you'd like.


    My first post got deleted, not sure why, but I’ll give it another go.

    I went back and looked, you did say Arcade, but big walls of text with no paragraphs are hard for me to read so I only saw Pro and tbh, I haven’t seen Arcade matches but I did leave for a while.

    426-9-30 in 82 matches on Stroke Sim Pro does read differently than 500-5 to be honest. I’m sure if you played 99’s on Match Play your record might look a lot differently. Either way, those are good numbers, you’re a good player which brings me to my past point.

    With a limited playlist feature online, the top 1% - 5% should not be catered to, at all. What you find challenging, the other 95% doesn’t. You have to be reasonable and think of others, speak the common tongue. For a game like this to succeed, units need to be sold, players need to want to want to play again and again. When the game is too hard, players don’t want to play. 

    At this high of frequency, Crooked Numbers should be removed or at least downsized exponentially.

    Lastly, Pro matches are how it’s always been: birds and eagle as a baseline and the best to beat the best need to hole out. The top players on XBL do not hole out with a high frequency, they bird and eagle mostly. Holing out is the hardest thing to do in this game and it’s harder now than Tigers of the past.

  • @Weyland4k I said arcade/pro (not just pro) so 522-9 is not far at all from 500-5. It's literally 98.3% winning percentage versus 99.0%, which is almost identical when looking at the big picture here. I couldn't remember the exact record and was barely off on my guess (.7%). Either way, 870-18 in Arcade/Pro/Sim seems pretty good to me and I've never seen anyone with a win percentage that is even remotely close to that. I average 50 wins per loss over those modes in my life. I don't play this mode anymore anyway because I got tired of it after a while but still think that all of the windy playlists should be a mainstay in this game. If making all birdies and eagles is the standard, why would people not rather have 10-15mph winds to make the challenge at least a little bit harder? When you shoot -22 with your eyes closed in 1-2mph wind, where is the fun in that? I could play match play vs 99's all day and win every match on pro, but the fun for me is playing Sim like this https://youtu.be/EkHs37zukJY and shooting -21 with no blue shot trail line, no white putting line, no elevation or wind numbers and no putting beads on the greens in 10+ mph winds.

    You can have your opinion on the Crooked Numbers playlist. Everyone has a different view of things that they like and don't like. Unfortunately, the game wasn't designed well for online play and EA implemented nearly every aspect of it poorly and I probably won't play it much more as a result. Best of luck to you as you continue to play and hopefully enjoy this game.
  • Weyland4k's avatar
    Weyland4k
    2 years ago

    @packattack04082 wrote:
    @Weyland4kI said arcade/pro (not just pro) so 522-9 is not far at all from 500-5. It's literally 98.3% winning percentage versus 99.0%, which is almost identical when looking at the big picture here. I couldn't remember the exact record and was barely off on my guess (.7%). Either way, 870-18 in Arcade/Pro/Sim seems pretty good to me and I've never seen anyone with a win percentage that is even remotely close to that. I average 50 wins per loss over those modes in my life. I don't play this mode anymore anyway because I got tired of it after a while but still think that all of the windy playlists should be a mainstay in this game. If making all birdies and eagles is the standard, why would people not rather have 10-15mph winds to make the challenge at least a little bit harder? When you shoot -22 with your eyes closed in 1-2mph wind, where is the fun in that? I could play match play vs 99's all day and win every match on pro, but the fun for me is playing Sim like this https://youtu.be/EkHs37zukJY and shooting -21 with no blue shot trail line, no white putting line, no elevation or wind numbers and no putting beads on the greens in 10+ mph winds.

    You can have your opinion on the Crooked Numbers playlist. Everyone has a different view of things that they like and don't like. Unfortunately, the game wasn't designed well for online play and EA implemented nearly every aspect of it poorly and I probably won't play it much more as a result. Best of luck to you as you continue to play and hopefully enjoy this game.

    I know you said Arcade/Pro and I said in my last reply that due to you posting a wall of text with no paragraphs, I have a hard time reading so I only saw Pro. I even apologized when I didn’t need to. I’m on a tablet and the screen is small, walls of text are hard to read. I literally opened with that statement in my last post, paragraph #2 sentence #1.

    It has nothing to do with whatever ratio you want to use, the facts are it’s 76 less wins, almost double the losses and 30 ties. That’s a considerable difference against who knows we’re in that lobby. If you want to post ratios, I’m undefeated on Match Play against 99’s mostly and I set my skill points to 85 so the cherry-pickers won’t leave, That’s 100% wins against a lot of tip top players with 10’s of thousands of wins combined using 15 less skill points. I’m not using it because it’s not relevant.


    I never said it was the “standard,” what I said was birds and eagles should be a baseline and to beat the best of the best you need to hole out, that’s how It’s always been. I also said that the top players are mostly hitting birds and eagles and not holing out as frequently as one would expect, so deductively it’s not a standard for everybody. I’m talking about being the best in that breath, do you understand that now?

    Also, I’m talking about the best, not the average Joe. Again, the top 5% shouldn’t be catered to, that means you. You should not be catered to because you’re one of the top players and want the most challenging experience online all the time. It’s not fair to other players. If a AAA studio only catered to the top 5% ranked players, they would fold up like a chair. A game needs to be considerate to all levels of play, not just focus on the tip top who want extreme challenge all week long. Do you think that’s unreasonable?

    I don’t want to be stressed with 15 mph winds on the majority of matches online when there is little time to play because the playlists are terrible. I want to relax and have fun. Some people think stress is fun, I don’t and I think most people agree that stress is not fun. Stress is linked to medical conditions, it’s a law of nature lol. I think going -22 is fun and you don’t get there without a lot of work. When you hit -22 regularly, it’s because you’re good, not an average Joe.

    Additonally, EA has never had winds work properly since forever. Every single Tiger, every single year, had problems with winds and Patels physics engine is broken or coded to have RNG. Most players want to have fun and relax, not get punished by brutal winds all week long and if it’s not that, it’s courses with broken greens. The current playlist system is poor.

    Someone sent me a screenshot of a poll on FB that asked if they would rather have playlists or set it up themselves and it was like 144 to 8 that people disliked the playlists. That is a significant number, overwhelming in fact. The current system is not liked by the vast vast majority of players, it’s a literal fact.

    How can you say you’ll win every single match on Pro Match Play against 99’s with a straight face? That’s absolutely not true, you’re saying you’re unbeatable against the literal 1%. Nobody is unbeatable, not even the best at the game.


  • @Weyland4k wrote:

    It has nothing to do with whatever ratio you want to use, the facts are it’s 76 less wins, almost double the losses and 30 ties. That’s a considerable difference against who knows we’re in that lobby.



    It's not 76 less wins than I first stated.  It's actually 22 more wins than I estimated.  522 is more than the 500 that I estimated and 9 losses was 4 more losses than I estimated. The ties are irrelevant because ties are virtually a guarantee on pro and I never even mentioned ties in the original post.  You are excluding the 96-0-0 in Arcade when it's the essentially the exact same mode as Pro and it was also included in my 500-5 estimate.  I actually just remembered why I thought my record was 5 losses.  I had 1 match where I went 0-4 because EA servers booted me, so my record is actually 522-5 if you take those 4 losses that I had no control over.  At least 80% of the players I played against were level 99's when playing on Arcade / Pro and a large chunk of them were versus top 50 players on the overall leaderboard, including every single player in the top 10.  You act like I misled in my first statement, when my self-admitted estimate was off by a whopping .7% win percentage.  I don't know why you're even still talking about it as it's irrelevant to this topic at this point.  My only point in all of this is that people should expect to play in high wind.  High wind is a huge part of golf and it should certainly be included in some of the rotating playlists. especially Pro, which poses no challenge in windless conditions. If you don't like those playlists, then simply skip them on that day.  Every person is in the same boat here, not just you.  If you're stressed while playing online in high wind, then that is a challenge that you should overcome.  Learn how to play and be more relaxed in those conditions, but don't take out your anger out on other people who can play the game without being stressed.

    The best players in this game are well rounded, meaning they are not only good at one specific difficulty mode or wind setting. In my opinion, Pro is way too easy as it basically gives you all of the data and tools you need to hit every shot to within feet of the hole and a direct putt line that shows you EXACTLY where to aim (distance and direction).  Playing Pro is almost akin to a self driving car where very little input is even required. I've shot as low as -31 before on a Pro Tournament in low wind, so you can see how crazy scores can get on that mode when you use all of those tools that make it super easy. Other difficulties make you earn birdies and eagles by forcing the player to learn how to properly play the game (adjust for wind/lie angle and read greens) once all of the PRO aids and tools are stripped away.  That's why I think every option from pro to sim and low wind to high wind should be present.  I hate low wind in the same way that you hate high wind, so both of us have had days with playlists that we don't really want to play, but I'm not going to demand that EA remove all low wind playlists.  It's just part of the way the game has been for a long time now.  Hopefully EA comes up with something better down the road to make players more satisfied.

    At this point, I'm officially done with this topic and won't be coming back to it as it has gotten off track. I've said my piece and so have you.  I respectfully disagree with your opinions on high wind but that is fine.  Best of luck to you Weyland4K and I hope that you continue to enjoy the game.

  • I think most players want a challenge when they play multiplayer, and with pro being one of the easier game modes I like seeing harder conditions 

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