Swing Mechanics & the Aim Marker

Can we all at least agree we want it to be a lot harder than Rory?

That game was so easy, even on the highest settings, that it was flat out boring

The putting was especially atrociously easy

Sounds like on paper you want tw 08 pc mouse swing mechanics with true swing analysis because * me the swinging on that game with low to mid stats is * stupid ridiculous

We don't talk about Rory here that game never happened. Only 14 exists.

I never touched rory because I KNEW that game from the fact Tiger wasn't there was enough for me to know it was bad. And I was correct when the people who bought told me to pass on it. But yes from what I hear of how easy it is even on higher difficulty I would want it to be way higher difficulty than Rory or go to 14 difficulty.

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@BuckHasTheBook wrote:

What I want is the actual act of swinging to be something you have to get good at... and for it to have nuance that impacts things shot by shot...

Like the pros, I want the chance of some bad swings, not perfect shots, in the trees..

Even the worlds best have to stay up on the swing and being dialed in -- that should be in this game also.

Otherwise why not just have a button to "swing" once you've put the arrow where you want?

I want a game that is like golf -- not one that just "looks like it"

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What about the swing plane and timing elements?

Fair point about swing plane and timing

Proof will be in the pudding, for sure

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@BuckHasTheBook wrote:

What I want is the actual act of swinging to be something you have to get good at... and for it to have nuance that impacts things shot by shot...

Like the pros, I want the chance of some bad swings, not perfect shots, in the trees..

Even the worlds best have to stay up on the swing and being dialed in -- that should be in this game also.

Otherwise why not just have a button to "swing" once you've put the arrow where you want?

I want a game that is like golf -- not one that just "looks like it"

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It’s disappointing….. EA’s taken something out of the player’s hands that Pro’s work tirelessly for hours on end to perfect and then stated this:-

‘Ultimately, we decided that allowing the aim marker to set the length of the swing, more closely aligns with how professional golfers are able to feel and judge distance on their short game shots. What we’re doing instead of this, is limiting the movement of the aim marker depending on the shot type. For example, if you’re trying to hit an approach shot that’s in-between clubs, you won’t be able to pull back the aim marker to the perfect distance.

Instead, you’ll now need to either learn how to use shot shaping or use other shot types like Knock Down or Finesse to fill that gap in your bag.’

So in summary putting a ridged backstop on the swing more aligns with feel & distance judgment..?  That’s just a head scratcher of a statement.

It’ll get stale real quickly even on simulation difficulty but the reason partials are left out is the markers position is baked into the downswing speed required to hit perfect shots.

What I’d like is the development team to look at increasing the over swing window on all aim marker adjusted shots. Let error percentage increase to 20-30 % over swing causing the ball to miss the target by a considerable distance as 5-10 % is not penal enough.

Agree with you totally Gasman1

Just seems like a shame to have all this content, all these visuals, all this time waiting for this ...  even got promised an all new swing at one point over a year ago..

...and here we are with basically a retread on some really old and tired concepts for a virtual golf swing experience

It makes me think the finance department got control of this at some point and cut the budget a touch (or reallocated part of it or something).

I sure hope they don't also bail on this game after a couple years, like they did with Rory

I don't see enough info to make any assumptions on how it actually is going to work. Could be nothing more than being able to set the target distance to a limited amount (placement of the hash mark on the swing arc). Shot type should dictate the length of swing using full stick travel. You will still have to make the correct swing, that's if it is truly a swing mechanic where distance is controlled by swing length and speed. So I'm hoping you don't even have to use it if you don't want too. I'll also be turning off the swing meter.

Bigger concern for me is whether or not the spin is going to be dynamic with the swing speed (which is a great addition). This has been needed for a long time, in having a way to control spin in real time, not having to rely on presets or lofting. 

The question was put to the developers over on Operation Sports and was clearly answered & confirmed that:-

‘Ultimately, we decided that allowing the aim marker to set the length of the swing, more closely aligns with how professional golfers are able to feel and judge distance.’

I would like to remain optimistic mate but that paragraph says it all.

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@gasman1 wrote:

The question we put to the developers over on Operation Sports was clearly answered & confirmed that:-

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For info., did you mean 'was' put on Operation Sports, or do you have some association with that site or interview?

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:

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@gasman1 wrote:

The question we put to the developers over on Operation Sports was clearly answered & confirmed that:-

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For info., did you mean 'was' put on Operation Sports, or do you have some association with that site or interview?

The questions in that interview came from OS forum users. A thread was put out to submit questions for the EA Q&A interview so that’s what we did.

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:
@gasman1So you do have some association with Operation Sports? Just trying to clarify what constitutes 'we' here. Not an issue at all but good to be transparent.

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Edited to ‘was’ just for you my friend….👍🏼

For transparency just a forum user not staff.

As Gasman1 already stated

The Devs were asked about this by OS staff and it seems clear just in their answer tone that it's the same 'ol, same 'ol on aiming, distance control via arrow, etc

Let's just hope this is more like TW14 (and other TW games) than Rory
 
I've never played such an easy and boring golf game as Rory was
 
It was almost like the game played for you and you just flicked the stick.

Why move the aim marker when it’s already going to get you inside 10 feet automatically?

In Rory, it seems they never programmed any variance to the shot.

No room for error.
Just perfect shots.
 
Seriously - anyone who still has Rory.  
Go fire it up and don't even aim.. just swing..

You'll be shocked how well you score, even on the HIGHEST difficulty settings possible, by doing absolutely nothing other than swinging whatever the preset shot/aim is all the time.
 
Why move the aim marker or even think about the shot, when the game will already get you inside 10 feet automatically?
 
Hopefully the new game at least has tempo to it somehow

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@BuckHasTheBook wrote:

Let's just hope this is more like TW14 (and other TW games) than Rory
 
I've never played such an easy and boring golf game as Rory was
 
It was almost like the game played for you and you just flicked the stick.

Why move the aim marker when it’s already going to get you inside 10 feet automatically?

In Rory, it seems they never programmed any variance to the shot.

No room for error.
Just perfect shots.
 
Seriously - anyone who still has Rory.  
Go fire it up and don't even aim.. just swing..

You'll be shocked how well you score, even on the HIGHEST difficulty settings possible, by doing absolutely nothing other than swinging whatever the preset shot/aim is all the time.
 
Why move the aim marker or even think about the shot, when the game will already get you inside 10 feet automatically?
 
Hopefully the new game at least has tempo to it somehow

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14 has the issue where bunker and rough shots might as well be irrelevant because of the strike meter system. You could be buried in rough or bunker and hit shots out completely fine if you strike meter below the ball or just keep it center and suffer a barely any penalty lie if there is any. 

100% fair about bunkers on 14

I, by no means, think TW14 was the best anything could be..

I just don't want much of anything from Rory gameplay.

The user barely has to do anything and it's just auto-birdies all day long

@gasman1
To me it's not clear because they don't say how they are setting the length of the swing with the marker. Limiting the length of the swing would nullify the new overswing. That's why I could see them instead adjusting the target line on the swing arc, or length of the arc with the marker, which would still keep the new swing mechanic relevant. Either way you're not going to be able to dial in distances as in the past.

Yeah 14 was NOT perfect but the fact of how easy it was to get out of the rough and bunkers were completely ridiculous. Past that and partial swings being gone since it's all about the marker now 14 is way better to base off of instead of Rory. This is why I always said 2005 was EA's best or just that era. The way swings and the marker are handled there worked fine you can do partial shots just fine. Man I want Tiger Proofing back. I can't think of any complaints for 14 online mode wise since I missed the online era.

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@wirenut48 wrote:

@gasman1
To me it's not clear because they don't say how they are setting the length of the swing with the marker. Limiting the length of the swing would nullify the new overswing. That's why I could see them instead adjusting the target line on the swing arc, or length of the arc with the marker, which would still keep the new swing mechanic relevant. Either way you're not going to be able to dial in distances as in the past.

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I appreciate your optimism but EA got asked the question does the markers adjusted position cap the length of the backswing & the answer was yes. They are not adjusting the target line on the swing arc to correlate with the marker’s position because that would give the ability to partial swing & it’s confirmed they thought it was too difficult.

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@gasman1 wrote:

For transparency just a forum user not staff.

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It was a really helpful interview and set of questions that I'm sure everyone here is grateful got published 👍🏼. Just a shame what some of the answers were ☹️.

It was a shame indeed..

OS staff was even saying how "we'd probably be very happy with some of the answers!" before it was posted.

There's a lot to love about the upcoming release, but still being stuck with the "distance via aiming arrow" and also the lowered FPS on consoles are bummers

Update:  No weather or dynamic time of day also really suck.  I was really expecting better on these two things, especially for a next-gen game

I read the interview and I didn't get the impression that it would be as simple as dial the marker and swing 100%.

As I understood it, it would be somewhat limited to how far you could move the distance marker and instead you had to rely more on a different shot type or shot shaping to really get the distance you were aiming for. 

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@CT_LEGACY wrote:

I read the interview and I didn't get the impression that it would be as simple as dial the marker and swing 100%.

As I understood it, it would be somewhat limited to how far you could move the distance marker and instead you had to rely more on a different shot type or shot shaping to really get the distance you were aiming for. 

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It was stated that distance adjustments would be limited on approach shots & selection of a more appropriate shot type from the menu of twenty would be an option or shaping the shot to add or take off distance.

This is all great but when it comes to the input from the player is all you are doing with each & every shot is pulling the analog stick back full travel & pushing it forwards full travel, this represents no sense of achievement for shot making for me personally.

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@gasman1 wrote:

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@CT_LEGACY wrote:

I read the interview and I didn't get the impression that it would be as simple as dial the marker and swing 100%.

As I understood it, it would be somewhat limited to how far you could move the distance marker and instead you had to rely more on a different shot type or shot shaping to really get the distance you were aiming for. 

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It was stated that distance adjustments would be limited on approach shots & selection of a more appropriate shot type from the menu of twenty would be an option or shaping the shot to add or take off distance.

This is all great but when it comes to the input from the player is all you are doing with each & every shot is pulling the analog stick back full travel & pushing it forwards full travel, this represents no sense of achievement for shot making for me personally.

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I doubt I can even see myself using the 20 shot types in a speedrun of the game unless it's really needed. It'll just have to depend how it feels when it launches. Another problem I seriously hope does not happen is when this game becomes just like 06 where in 06 Alpha builds the gamebreaker mechanic works and functions just fine with no bugs but the retail version is a buggy nightmare and doesn't work when needed. In this game that would translate to a mechanic in the retail build not functioning as well as it did in earlier builds which depending on what the mechanic is is gonna matter alot.