From my personal observation, it appears we all playing against an algorithm.
This week's Battlez (similar to week 1) is to show how effective the premium plants are in achieving high scores. For players using F2P plants, most best scores I have seen are still way way below 2M.
Having say this, I have seen a max out plant player scored over 5M and lost, so it all depends how active (mean) the intended streak breaker is set to by EA's algorithm.
@eieio_31310 wrote:From my personal observation, it appears we all playing against an algorithm.
This week's Battlez (similar to week 1) is to show how effective the premium plants are in achieving high scores. For players using F2P plants, most best scores I have seen are still way way below 2M.
Having say this, I have seen a max out plant player scored over 5M and lost, so it all depends how active (mean) the intended streak breaker is set to by EA's algorithm.
If you only use F2P plants in battlez then you are gonna lose sometimes. That is an inexcapable fact. Cali is the best plant to deal with those giants. If I had only free plants then I wouldn’t be concerned with losing. I would just lose my streak and start over. I would never get upset about losing to premium plants because I choose not to buy them. That is the nature of PvP.
If we are playing against some algorithm then you would figure I would have lost at least a few times last week. The only time I lost was in one match were I wasn’t paying enough attention. I won 362 times in a row. Most of the matches were not even close at all.
This week has been the same. None of the matches have been even close to a loss. I try to stay out of the top three leagues just in case that is where all the best players are. Next week I will be in silver and probably won’t even play at all so I drop back down a league.
@Schizocarp wrote:
.... Most of the matches were not even close at all.
To me, this is a good indication who we are playing against, different leagues have different top score settings and once you can get over the top score, you cannot lose. A while back I remember I saw one Jade league player got dropped back to Soil League due to system error and in one of the Soil league game he recorded his opponent was shadowing his scores from start up to near the end then stopped increasing.
The PVZ2 games were originally designed as a free to play game and this is why it attracted many players, if Battlez is to be changed to paid to win games only, then they may as well add an extra button on the main menu --
[Crowns for Sale] -- $10 for 100 crowns.
@eieio_31310 wrote:The PVZ2 game were originally designed as a free to play game and this is why it attracted many players, if Battlez is to be changed to paid to win games only, then they may as well add an extra button on the main menu --
[Crowns for Sale] -- $10 for 100 crowns.
Amen to that
If you are enjoying winning in PvP after spending hundreds of $ in a pay to win games, that's up to you but I rather spend that money on a regular game where PvP shows players' skills not players' money.
Also, I did not follow this thread lately, but why did they ban Chard/Blover combo on the last weeks ?
Ok it was really really efficient but it was a combo that could be done by F2P players, no need for premium plan to do it.
So if they ban the combo chard/blover, why is it still possible to do a brainless Cauli spam tactic, which is also very very efficient ?
I mean except for the obvious reason that it forces people to buy Cauli and other premium plants 🤓
At least chard/blover combo recquired a bit of timing and skill.
@BBnot8 wrote:Also, I did not follow this thread lately, but why did they ban Chard/Blover combo on the last weeks ?
Ok it was really really efficient but it was a combo that could be done by F2P players, no need for premium plan to do it.
So if they ban the combo chard/blover, why is it still possible to do a brainless Cauli spam tactic, which is also very very efficient ?
I mean except for the obvious reason that it forces people to buy Cauli and other premium plants 🤓
At least chard/blover combo recquired a bit of timing and skill.
I guess the original purpose of Battlez is to show players the benefits of having premium plants, how good they are in helping to achieve high scores. If a free plant can be used instead, then it most likely will discourage player to buy premium plants, so for commercial reasons, free plants which can be used to do so is not allowed.
At first it was disabling spring bean/Blover combination, now Blover is greyed out on new battlez, just wondering what comes next? Banning Moon flower or stopping it from producing sun?
Don't give them bad idea lmao
Well since I"m stuck in limbo on the bogus DISCONNECTED screen again....
Funny how I'm disconnected yet able to still type messages here on the forum. EA has some amazing forum powers, I wonder how they do that!
🙂
A thought has occurred to me. Why should I bother to upgrade anything anymore. The last time me and thousands of others upgraded Blover, they removed it. So why should anyone go through that risk, time, and expense to have other plants removed too?
Or... spend your $ on Calipower like a wallet warrior... then play like a mindless bot.
Blover/chard combo is available this week
But the setup is very very weird and tricky...
Sandstorm bringing Gargantuar in the middle of the field, potions that make the zombies bigger or faster, Snowstorm that freeze your plants 😞
@BBnot8 Thank you for the insight, my next free play is an hour away so will be looking out for the nasty surprise... 👿
So!
Game crashed, then I was able to get back. Interesting, now only the top 3 players in Jade I move into Jade II. I thought it was supposed to be top 5. Guess that was a glitch earlier this week? 🙂
I was hoping to stay in gold, but decided to move onto Jade simply because cashing in for jade level pinatas come with more seeds for the same price. (x13) for a total of 260 seed packets per 100 gems.
I've got too many gauntlets to burn off for a whole lifetime (don't need to buy more), and already own all the Gemium plants, so nothing really to spend them on, aside from the silly Zen Garden which I don't use anymore.
Now, if only they could bring back that old gem-producing plan again, LOL. Marygolds is as good as it gets now.
And you have only 500 sun to start with.
So basically: last week setup with the difficulty increased by 100 😛
Not sure the chard/blover combo will be that efficient this week with the snowstorms and so many things to handle at the same time.
I don't know if bigger zombies are knocked off by chard guard ?
As for the earlier discussion, I think it would be fair that when EA ban some free plants, they also ban some premium plants.
Like when sun producing plants are banned, why allowing gold bloom ? If the aim of the setup is to do the game with almost no producing plants suns, what the point to keep gold bloom ?
Make no sense in the game logic !
But well OK, we all already know the answer ($$$$), but still... I guess I'm being too idealistic..
Edit: btw, about Gold Bloom...it can be obtained for free in the last (of the 3 exclusive) world for China edition 🤔
OK so not only there are only 500 sun at the beginning
There are also sandstorms bringing Gargantuar in the middle of the field
There are also snowstorms freezing your plants
There are also potions making zombies quicker or faster
And a lot of them which makes it complicated to plant some of your plants in the first lines !
And finally there are excavator zombies that will f**k up your plants setup !
Second try, second win, but I guess it will be really really more difficult than last week setu which was quite easy.
(I amazed on how some players with high level plants and premium plants can be so lame...
Or the opposite, how someone who is not good can spend so much money on this game x) )
Thanks to your tips and I must have saved a few gauntlets.
I tried with my level 1 plants and managed to break 300K
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn_DYPGzA1Mhitn6m6-L_4g?view_as=subscriber
I also tried with my mid level plants and managed to break 1M.
I think the challenge for this week's Apple Mortar Battlez is to keep your plants from frozen.
I tied Fire Peashooter, Jalapeno, lava Guava and Pepper-pult as a heat source and found that Pepper-pult has the best defrosting range albeit more expensive.
As for your opponent's low score with high level plants, this is more likely
1. A bad strategy and got many of the plants eaten or frozen
2. The statistic showing was a cosmetic made up from an algorithm
Impressive, I've being doing the same score with lvl 3-5 plants 😳
Yes pepper-pult is the best, I think with 3-4 of them lvl 3-4 you can keep your plants away from freezing.
Good idea to bring the primal peashoters. Too bad that they are not doing a good combo with the primal potatoes ☹️
Would you recommand to use chard guard ? With the excavator zombies and the potions popping everywhere, they can be removed quickly :/
Is blover really efficient ? Like I'm usually not good at timing, but with alllllll the potions on the field I'm sometimes like "where should I put this f***ing blover"
@BBnot8 wrote:Impressive, I've being doing the same score with lvl 3-5 plants 😳
Yes pepper-pult is the best, I think with 3-4 of them lvl 3-4 you can keep your plants away from freezing.
Good idea to bring the primal peashoters. Too bad that they are not doing a good combo with the primal potatoes ☹️Would you recommand to use chard guard ? With the excavator zombies and the potions popping everywhere, they can be removed quickly :/
Is blover really efficient ? Like I'm usually not good at timing, but with alllllll the potions on the field I'm sometimes like "where should I put this f***ing blover"
Both Primal Potato Mine and Chard Guard can be used.
for me, CG is more predictable and it also works with Blover.
If you use Primal Potato Mines, then you need to save some plant food for it to make it effective.
Actual I am having a second thought, if you use PPM, it might work better with Bombard-mint. Will give this combo a go on my next free play.
@eieio_31310 wrote:
@BBnot8 wrote:Impressive, I've being doing the same score with lvl 3-5 plants 😳
Yes pepper-pult is the best, I think with 3-4 of them lvl 3-4 you can keep your plants away from freezing.
Good idea to bring the primal peashoters. Too bad that they are not doing a good combo with the primal potatoes ☹️Would you recommand to use chard guard ? With the excavator zombies and the potions popping everywhere, they can be removed quickly :/
Is blover really efficient ? Like I'm usually not good at timing, but with alllllll the potions on the field I'm sometimes like "where should I put this f***ing blover"Both Primal Potato Mine and Chard Guard can be used.
for me, CG is more predictable and it also works with Blover.
If you use Primal Potato Mines, then you need to save some plant food for it to make it effective.
Actual I am having a second thought, if you use PPM, it might work better with Bombard-mint. Will give this combo a go on my next free play.
When Blover is back, it’s time to combine it with Primal Peashooter. The other plants I choosed are PPM, Bombard-mint and a must-used sun producing plant. And it amazes me when I broke 1M mark
I've played around 45 matches so far and the best i have done so far is 1,378,950 using plants with 30xp.
It seems (to me) there are 2 ways to play this, primal peashooter/ blover or caulipower/ electric blueberry. I'm not very good with blover and he's taking ages to get to L5 so I'm going to stick with cp/eb which usually gets me around the one million mark- unless anyone has any better ideas. Either way some plants usually end up frozen.
@Cogakhoaisan Thank you for sharing, your plant selection is exactly what I had in mind as I mentioned in my previous post. It certainly seems to work better for getting a good score.
@MAGICDAVESHROOM I use the Pepper-pult to keep my plants from frozen and the leveled up plants seems to do the job well where as the range and warm up time on a level 1 Pepper-pult is less useful.
To me, the purpose of playing Battlez is to gain game playing skill and candies (gems coins etc...), I do not mind losing to a better player sine I can learn from my own mistake and or their gaming skills. I also do not mind playing against a computer program either, this is why I finished the Adventure mode. What I do not like is being tricked into thinking I am playing against another player while in fact it is just a computer program.
This is my worst loss so far, apparently a genuine player as it doesn't have the hallmarks of an "EAbot".
I tried it a few times but could only get about half his score so i went back to cp/eb with double goldboom.
Yes it was on a mint reward.
Found out the hard way, that when the book says "warms nearby plant" what that really means is only the plant to the left and right in a single lane.
Grrrrrrrrrrr!
That said, maybe it's just my bracket, but Jade league seems to be a joke in comparison to the gold players I had last week. Maybe it's because the unorthodox style this week has too many people confused when trying to play the same ordered style they were once used to.
Depends on the plants and level I guess.
For example, 1 Pepper-pult can wam up a whole line of plants if placed next to it, in the middle. (see level 5 of Frosbite Cave world for example)
And yes last week, the setup was quite easy, once you had a good tactic, you just had to repeat it again angd again.
This week, there are so many things that can screw your game plan (potion popping up where it should not be, quicker and biger zombies, snowstorms) so even with a good strategy, it's more difficult to be always efficient.
I've always found pepperpult to warm all 8 tiles touching him. (See fandom article).
Fandom also mentions the warming radius increasing as his level gets higher. (Under upgrades).
Try the frostbite caves Level 12.
I've stopped bothering to try thawing plants but try primal mine explosions and/or apple mortars sometimes do the trick. Mine's L4
@MAGICDAVESHROOM wrote:This is my worst loss so far, apparently a genuine player as it doesn't have the hallmarks of an "EAbot".
I tried it a few times but could only get about half his score so i went back to cp/eb with double goldboom.
Yes it was on a mint reward.
If there’s no EAbot then your opponent is really a talent as he has the same setup as mine with less experience points (17 vs 19) but he scored a much higher than me.
