Chemist - Why The Hate? (Possible Nerf)
As a frequent scientist player, I've played chemist for several hours, and I've notice in EVERY stream there is at least 2 Kids like this:
"NERF CHEMIST/ELECTRO BRAINZ/ZOOLOGIST"
Or....
#KILLC...
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@xxSe4l-MLG420xx
Okay, i think my opinion is correct then:
I remember back in time, after the rosenerf patch matches was ABSOLUTELY bad.
I leaved the game for two weeks, then turned back and... i was really impressed that i was have joy playing the game.
It's impossible that leave the game for two week and eventually turning back could have increased my skills suddenly.
So i realized something else was changed.
More chompers and Citrons players.
In team vanquish is not rare to see a team of full of those.
So i realized the real problem in the patch wasn't the Rose nerf, but more likely the Corn buff. Too Corns ruins the team comp.
This is what i realized, no clue if is true or not, but still an opinion.
And the fact i left the game after some days and when i turned back i ddnt feel a really unbalance game maybe is a thing to consider.
Your're not the only one who has picked up on the 95% full corn team comps. I remember a game of great white north where I was attacking as zombies and the entire plants were just corn, that was it nothing else. They lost very fast, probably the fastest game of GWN I have ever played. This is my logic, in almost any team based game that has classes that work as defense,support,tank, and offense there is a need of diversity and proper usage. I have been following people who play Overwatch which is a good example of a team based game. On defense the team cannot win by just going offensive classes, they need at least a healer and defrensive characters along with maybe one offensive character or two to keep the enemies distracted and output some damage. In GW2 you cannot win playing just corn defensively, having one or two corns is good to have but there is a need for some peashooters, cacti, support, and tanks. Survivabilty on defense is key in my opinion and corn can output some firepower but not survivabilty for the most part.
Now I am just talking defensive for plants and not to much for offense since that doesn't really roll well to much anyway in TT. But if I'd have to say one thing is all corn even on offense won't cut it. And with the lack of rose victory is doubtful.
@cmh05171 i see your point, you're correct.
People think Corn is a strong class or others are just weak? This is just what makes me curious.. and why possibly?
One thing that plants lack is maybe some of survival skills.
Sunflowers are immobile free-kills, and cactuses need someone to cover them, besides mines.
Chompers need someone to cover them while digesting, Citrons is clunky and has no damaging spells and need team to fully works.
Maybe what is making people spam Corn is the fact he doesn't have really to rely on his team-mates.
@FrozenChromeIta wrote:
@cmh05171 i see your point, you're correct.
People thing Corn is a strong class or others are just weak? This is just what make me curious.. and why possibly?
One thing that plants lack is maybe the lack of survival skills.
Sunflowers are immobile free-kills, and cactuses need someone to cover them, besides mines.
Chompers need someone to cover them while digesting, Citrons is clunky and has no damaging spells and need someone to fully works.
Maybe what is making people spam Corn is fact he doesn't have really to rely on his team-mates.Should I just re-name the tread: The Balance thread or something?
We were talking about chemist not kernel corn.
I have no problem doing it.
Sorry about that , getting off topic and all but the point that started it is a good point.
I think people complain about chemist or just scientist in general because a lot of people on plants seem to play corn. Corn is not a good counter to a scientist, scientist will most of the time counter corn. So if you have a team of mostly corns then the scientist can breeze through them and cause some problems for other people not playing corn. From games as chemist he can demolish a corn and just walk his way into the enemy team if they are mostly corn. When I was in games as sunflower with a team full of corns things didn't go well with scientists. They would blow through the corns and easily reach me and I'd have no teammates to mostly help. So concluding from that it is partially on plant comp to that is causing some of these complaints for scientist and mostly chemist. Now from what I've heard about PC that story is different but since I play on xbox this is a reoccurring thing.So I think it isn't all on scientist for being the cause for plants losing.
@cmh05171 wrote:
Sorry about that , getting off topic and all but the point that started it is a good point.
I think people complain about chemist or just scientist in general because a lot of people on plants seem to play corn. Corn is not a good counter to a scientist, scientist will most of the time counter corn. So if you have a team of mostly corns then the scientist can breeze through them and cause some problems for other people not playing corn. From games as chemist he can demolish a corn and just walk his way into the enemy team if they are mostly corn. When I was in games as sunflower with a team full of corns things didn't go well with scientists. They would blow through the corns and easily reach me and I'd have no teammates to mostly help. So concluding from that it is partially on plant comp to that is causing some of these complaints for scientist and mostly chemist. Now from what I've heard about PC that story is different but since I play on xbox this is a reoccurring thing.So I think it isn't all on scientist for being the cause for plants losing.
Ok, I understand, continue on.
If we want to talk about the corn/scientist match-up, he's actually a decent class to deal with a scientist in close range. Thank to his good bulk and decent weapon in general for close-mid range, husk hop that can both be used to escape from him or even outright attempt to kill him. Shuck shot is also a option if he have time to prepare it as you only need to hit one of the projectile to one-shot him and butter barrage can be used to discourage him to come in range if you drop it in your feet. But like every plant, he can fall easily against him if he get taken by surprise and don't have his escape tool. He clearly can't out-damage scientist that close.
@xxSe4l-MLG420xx Bought up at interesting talk about the different meta between PC and console. I know that in GW1, foot soldier were horribly common but that they weren't seen that often in console. While right now we got the other way around with corn bring common in console while PC have more variety in plant team. But that would be going off-topic. Maybe I should make a thread about dis.
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