Chomper's Real Weakness
So there are a lot of suggestions to reduce the Chomper's digestion time despite there being upgrades, but there is another issue we may be overlooking.
When you get behind a zombie and your Chomp...
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@Finaldeath1689 wrote:
It should stay, there has to be a downside to an ability than can 1 shot absolutely everybody regardless of how much health they have.
Where is the ZPG downside? The peashooter bean downside? The corn bazooka downside? The all-star crossed imp downside? All these attacks as the potential to one-shot almost anything, and from a safe distance too.
Zpg:
Most effective at range on a stationary target. Much harder to hit at close, and, or a moving target. Victim can be revived.
Shuck shot:
Same as zpg.
Chili bomb:
Easy to avoid. Messed up physics at the moment. Can be revived.
Imp punt:
Short range, often misses at very close range ( bugged ? ). Can be revived.
So whilst they can one-shot many targets, they all have downsides. The biggest and often overlooked is they can all be revived. That is a huge advantage to a chomper. Oh and it doesn't even take up an ability slot. Another plus.
Most effective at range on a stationary target. Much harder to hit at close, and, or a moving target. Victim can be revived.
Shuck shot:
Same as zpg.
Chili bomb:
Easy to avoid. Messed up physics at the moment. Can be revived.
Imp punt:
Short range, often misses at very close range ( bugged ? ). Can be revived.
So whilst they can one-shot many targets, they all have downsides. The biggest and often overlooked is they can all be revived. That is a huge advantage to a chomper. Oh and it doesn't even take up an ability slot. Another plus.
@InC0g wrote:
@AlexP1980
Zpg:
Most effective at range on a stationary target. Much harder to hit at close, and, or a moving target. Victim can be revived.
Shuck shot:
Same as zpg.
Chili bomb:
Easy to avoid. Messed up physics at the moment. Can be revived.
Imp punt:
Short range, often misses at very close range ( bugged ? ). Can be revived.
So whilst they can one-shot many targets, they all have downsides. The biggest and often overlooked is they can all be revived. That is a huge advantage to a chomper. Abilities are not all about raw damage.Why, do you think that chomp isn't avoidable?
You have to get close and from behind, or to use a skill (burrow) which is avoidable as everything else. Yes, we all know that chomped zombies can't be revived, but it is game changing? How many times you get revived anyway? 1 every 20 death?
There is only one thing which is unavoidable (at least for many classes), the Super Brainz Tornado, (super jump, high base speed, gap closer), everything else is
I'm a fan of chomper, I know it well but the game design is different from gw1 and it really needs a change because when you attack is not a suitable choiceChomper is fine...
How to make Chomper better, IMO.
1.) Make the timer to respawn much longer when he eats you.
2.) When he eats someone, his abilities are refreshed.
3.) Either quick digestion or faster move-speed while digesting.
@InC0g wrote:
Zpg:
Most effective at range on a stationary target. Much harder to hit at close, and, or a moving target. Victim can be revived.
Shuck shot:
Same as zpg.
Chili bomb:
Easy to avoid. Messed up physics at the moment. Can be revived.
Imp punt:
Short range, often misses at very close range ( bugged ? ). Can be revived.
So whilst they can one-shot many targets, they all have downsides. The biggest and often overlooked is they can all be revived. That is a huge advantage to a chomper. Oh and it doesn't even take up an ability slot. Another plus.It should be noted that only ZPG and shuck shot can One shot any plant/zombie class. Chili bean bomb do 175 damage so a superbrainz and all-star can tank it while imp punt do 150 damage max which is enough for most chomper variant and citron to survive (as well as corn with health upgrade,but those are rare).
You also forgot to note Bigger Better Butter (alternate for butter barrage). Which do 200 damage in a pretty big AOE but is fairly predictable by the flare.
@InC0g wrote:
Zpg:
Most effective at range on a stationary target. Much harder to hit at close, and, or a moving target. Victim can be revived.
Shuck shot:
Same as zpg.
Chili bomb:
Easy to avoid. Messed up physics at the moment. Can be revived.
Imp punt:
Short range, often misses at very close range ( bugged ? ). Can be revived.
So whilst they can one-shot many targets, they all have downsides. The biggest and often overlooked is they can all be revived. That is a huge advantage to a chomper. Oh and it doesn't even take up an ability slot. Another plus.You are comparing abilities to a primary attack and the Chomper is more reliant on his primary attack than a solider using any of its abilities. Chomping comes with more risk as well than launching a zpg from across the map or throw a chili bomb into a base and running away. Those instances you mention are design, not downsides.
Gooping a target and rotating against them so you can chomp them from behind isn't the same as an all-star tackling a vampire sunflower, provided he does not imp punt them into oblivion. The all-star has two low risk abilities to KO most plants along with his hefty HP. The Chomper can still be vanquished while trying to get behind the target and even if it does, it can still be taken out before the zombie lands in its mouth.
Sure the target is unrevivable, but does that really justify all the instances and risk the chomper has to go through for its primary means of attack?
