Class Discussion: Rose
Onto Rose. A character I don’t play all that much, barring specific reasons, like when I need to get certain quests done (teleporters, vanquish streaks and especially with Druid Rose, assists). Anoth...
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@stukapooka I thought she had a floaty jump in GW2, but if she does, I don't really notice it much as actual extra jump height/distance and in fact when going from BfN to GW2, get stuck on stuff I expect to clear because of that (the opposite of Super Brainz between the 2 games) as she can hover and such in BfN and can't do so in GW2, that's about the only BfN change I like for this character.
I too like how she had those guardians for her teleporters (also I like breaking her magic teleporters with a zombie with the Everlasting Crown and having it say stuff like; 'Magic? Shmagic!' I do want teleporters and bots/guardians back, but we don't need the GW1 bot upgrades as they never existed for the guardians and the upgrading could turn into a competition to get the final upgrade so you got credit for its vanquishes.
The homing is something I'd not be upset if she lost, although they'd have to speed up her projectiles if they do. It was mostly ok if a pain in GW2, it hardly even works most of the time in BfN, especially closeup.
Having Arcane Enigma give teammates speed still can be used to help teammates escape with you, or when losing a point to get the next one without needing to respawn or getting shot like mad trying to fall back. I don't really mind the damage on the ability in GW2, but it's honestly not that hot, best used against low level AI mobs with low health than anything else.
I'm mostly 'meh' about thorn apart, although I'd rather use it than Brainium Basher.
BfN Goatify is awful. Between how buggy it is and how it goes through walls, the ground, and everything else and is huge. I've been in matches where multiple Roses would launch them one after another so we had to bail off the cart we were trying to push over and over. I mentioned this in the main post of course, but BfN's Goatify is so obnoxious it had to mentioned again. GW2's version isn't all that hot right now, but reverting it to that version and buffing the 2 versions a bit would be so much better than in BfN.
@Iron_Guard8The jump is definetly more noticeable on bfn rose and hovergoat.
Upgrading did have engineers fight for the turrets but it was nice seeing all the different forms and I believe gw2 concept art had different crystal forms as well.
The everlasting crown was a blessing that needs to return.
The homing seemed ok in gw2 as it fell off at longer range but didnt seem to have much problens otherwise but in bfn the spread and homing just seem really awful to use and really ineffective at any range besides medium range when your zoomed. Same with space cadet. Can't believe they seriously gave this to the peashooter of all characters in bfn.
Yeah the damage wasnt to useful but most roses in bfn use the speed boost selfishly for their own preservation.
Thorn apart is meh but it isnt as terrible as shogun and doesnt break the game as badly as basher. I think legendary upgrades overall were very poor attempts at trying to get people interested in the game again due to the lack of variants.
Gw2 goatify could be better by increasing the speed of the attack but bfn goatify is really bad. Ai rose in bfn also seems to spam it everytime they have it even if one zombie is there almost like they have wallhacks.
@stukapooka I haven't posted Space Cadet yet although it's written up in Word (I want to post 1 per weekday so we have time to talk about these), but I mention there that the Space Cadet can lose her homing and I'd not mind one bit, and she's my favorite new character in BfN. She doesn't need it, and some variant ideas I have couldn't use it anyway.
The Peashooter homing upgrade is a bad idea, but it also either doesn't work at all, or doesn't work very well.I feel that legendary upgrades could be turned into variants instead with some work and simultaneously give us some variants that stand out more from the standard fire, ice, toxic, electric, etc. variants and give us more like unusual ones. With some balancing of course.
As for upgrading the turrets (and as an extension of that, the Guardians), I'd not be against the idea, I actually did like it, but the last upgrader got all the credit for the bot's vanquishes which was a problem. If they wanted to bring that back, they'd have to either only let the original builder upgrade their own turret (not a fan of that idea), or everyone who built/upgraded it should get credit.
@Iron_Guard8Space cadet has the best chance of the new zombies imo. I like 80s visual design the most but I think cadet is the most salvageable from a gameplay perspective.
More variants in line with the more unique gw2 era ones like scuba, cozmic brains, or nec rose isn't a bad idea.
Not neccesarily a terrible idea but its one that was implemented horribly and wasn't thought out.
If the turrets gave xp to every engineer that worked on it, it could be good.
