Expanding Ultimate League and Beyond
I have a proposal to submit for Season 2. Many players (300? 500? 1,500?) already reached Ultimate League in Season 1, and besides the Weekly challenge and event cards, there isn't much incentive fo...
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@AphidOfDeath wrote:The min % win on Wooden and Bronze should just be "N/A" since, given enough games played, any rate greater than zero theoretically eventually yields a rank up. "Min % win" should reflect the "worst-case scenario" where the first match/es give a star and the number of stars is never again zero. As such, @jaydabbler is right that ranking up in the proposed Hero, Ultimate and Legend leagues requires a 75% winrate.
I offer a slightly altered idea for the Hero league... To rank up, you must win a game with every hero (as originally given). When you win, that hero is marked complete. When you lose, one of the marked completes is unmarked. I'd then move the league between Taco and Ultimate, leaving Ultimate and Legend unique in their awarding 0 stars for a solitary win.
Another option instead of requiring a streak-bonus in order to win stars, how about the normal "a win awards a star" (and no streak bonus) but then a loss drops you two stars? It's still a 75% winrate, but I'm just trying to think of which is better for a player's psychology.
Also, a top 100 leaderboard sounds like a good addition to whichever league is top dog. And then I was like "every league should get a leaderboard". And then I was like "but that doesn't even make sense". And then I was like "I know, but I still want a leaderboard".
@AphidOfDeath Thank you for providing a constructive comment/criticism. It only took 14 replies to get there... 🤔
I like your version of the Hero league, but that would require all players in that league to have unlock all heroes, and I'm not quite sure everyone would be just there yet. Otherwise, a player with only 12 heroes unlocked would level up way faster/easier than a player with all 20 heroes unlocked.
Anyway, the idea is to "encourage" players to use all heroes, as I'm pretty sure some players in the Ultimate league play with the same 2-3 heroes over and over (because that's their best decks) and pat themselves in the back because they are soooooooo good at this game... 😉
Considering the way to earn stars, I weighed the pros and cons of having to make a win streak or losing 2 stars. The reason why I chose the former is because sometimes, sh*t happen. You get a phone call, you temporary lose mobile coverage or your wifi drops out, and you are mad enough to not get the opportunity to win that game where you had a confortable board position. Losing 2 stars in this scenario would be even more frustrating. That's my perspective on it. (However, I wouldn't be against a 2-star loss for those who rage quit when there is a "concede" button readily available)
Finally, for the leaderboard, I placed it in the Legend League because it would eventually reflect the best players in that league. However, we should have a leaderboard from day1, even if the #1 is "only" in the Gold League...
After further consideration, I'd decrease the win streak to 3 in the Legend League otherwise not many would earn stars. We could also put in place a loss streak where the first loss is "free", the second loss make you lose 1 star, the third loss 2 stars, etc.
I would also like to see a bonus for players winning above their league: 1 league difference +1 star, 2 leagues difference +2 stars, etc. That would encourage new players to give it their best shot instead of conceding just after the match up, which is often the case.
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@MyPouf wrote:
@AphidOfDeath wrote:I offer a slightly altered idea for the Hero league... To rank up, you must win a game with every hero (as originally given). When you win, that hero is marked complete. When you lose, one of the marked completes is unmarked. I'd then move the league between Taco and Ultimate, leaving Ultimate and Legend unique in their awarding 0 stars for a solitary win.
I like your version of the Hero league, but that would require all players in that league to have unlock all heroes, and I'm not quite sure everyone would be just there yet. Otherwise, a player with only 12 heroes unlocked would level up way faster/easier than a player with all 20 heroes unlocked.
Anyway, the idea is to "encourage" players to use all heroes, as I'm pretty sure some players in the Ultimate league play with the same 2-3 heroes over and over (because that's their best decks) and pat themselves in the back because they are soooooooo good at this game... 😉
As I'm slogging through the sea of Tacos to reach Ultimate before season 2 hits, I'm even warmer to the idea of a Hero league. In fact, given the game's inspiration from comics, there could be two Hero-ish leagues where one is the Sidekick League akin to Teen Titans, New Mutants, Young Justice, Generation X, Avengers Academy, etc. In this league, there is no penalty for losing a match, just that each hero must be used for a win. 10 stars per level with each level switching back and forth between plants and zombies (all 10 plant heroes and all 10 zombie heroes must be played and won with). Since this is earlier game, whether or not a player has the hero, the player can use one of the pre-built decks in its completeness. Exposure to these decks could also drive purchases for packs and deck completion. The Hero Leaguers can also use the pre-built decks, but they are incomplete if the player doesn't have all the cards (it's higher level, so the player should have all the heroes by now or should be willing to invest their gems into the pre-built decks).
Here's my suggested order:
- Wooden
- Bronze
- Silver
- Gold
- Sidekick
- Diamond
- Taco
- Hero
- Ultimate
- Legend
- Approved
@AphidOfDeath wrote:As I'm slogging through the sea of Tacos to reach Ultimate before season 2 hits, I'm even warmer to the idea of a Hero league. In fact, given the game's inspiration from comics, there could be two Hero-ish leagues where one is the Sidekick League akin to Teen Titans, New Mutants, Young Justice, Generation X, Avengers Academy, etc.
In this league, there is no penalty for losing a match, just that each hero must be used for a win.
10 stars per level with each level switching back and forth between plants and zombies (all 10 plant heroes and all 10 zombie heroes must be played and won with).
Since this is earlier game, whether or not a player has the hero, the player can use one of the pre-built decks in its completeness. Exposure to these decks could also drive purchases for packs and deck completion.
The Hero Leaguers can also use the pre-built decks, but they are incomplete if the player doesn't have all the cards (it's higher level, so the player should have all the heroes by now or should be willing to invest their gems into the pre-built decks).
Here's my suggested order:
- Wooden
- Bronze
- Silver
- Gold
- Sidekick
- Diamond
- Taco
- Hero
- Ultimate
- Legend
I like your idea of the Sidekick league.
It gives a preview of all heroes (similar to the weekly challenge) and the power of the pre-built decks (and as you suggested, a further incentive to buy them).
Now, this creates a league with "super" heroes playing with the best decks. If you are in any other league, you wish you don't face players of that league!
If we create that new Sidekick league, we may remove the Taco league, which is simply a painful extension of the Diamond league with 0 novelty.
I would also swap Hero and Ultimate as originally suggested, because Hero and Legend use the same mechanics (different heroes to win stars) and the Ultimate would seem dull/easy after the Hero League.
Alternate order:
- Wooden
- Bronze
- Silver
- Gold
- Sidekick
- Diamond/(or Taco)
- Ultimate
- Hero
- Legend
- ApprovedYou guys and your numbers jeez. Here's my opinion. I think most of the player base isn't even in ultimate league and it already takes a long time to get there. I don't think there is a need for higher leagues. All that will do is create leagues with even less people than ultimate league. I think the best solution for maxed players is a leaderboard so they can still have a sense of progression. It's baffling that there isn't a leaderboard already. Maybe even have it reset every week and award gems to the top players. The new leagues just seem like too much and unnecessary.
- Approved
@xSSxSUICIDEx wrote:
You guys and your numbers jeez. Here's my opinion. I think most of the player base isn't even in ultimate league and it already takes a long time to get there. I don't think there is a need for higher leagues. All that will do is create leagues with even less people than ultimate league. I think the best solution for maxed players is a leaderboard so they can still have a sense of progression. It's baffling that there isn't a leaderboard already. Maybe even have it reset every week and award gems to the top players. The new leagues just seem like too much and unnecessary.If I had to take a guess at the breakdown, I'd say the current status is:
- Wooden - 5%
- Bronze - 5%
- Silver - 10%
- Gold - 15%
- Diamond - 15%
- Taco - 30%
- Ultimate - 20%
The reason for that is because the first two are really quick to go through. The Taco league takes ages. It may even be close to 40% of the multiplayers. And the Ultimate is growing week after week.
There are currently 2 issues for players who reach Ultimate.
- Lack of Aim (nothing to unlock, no level up, no reward, no achievement)
- Lack of Comparison (no leaderboard, so you don't know high you rank)
What you suggest is to add only 2. and disregard 1. That would assume ALL players who reached Ultimate are only interested in a leaderboard position. I don't think it's an accurate assumption.
You need to cater for everyone, and to do so, you need to implement both.
Who cares if it takes 6 more months for the average player to reach Ultimate? Once you get there, you are only waiting for the next season. You can't even replay the single mode missions...
The fact that you level up creates a sense of achievement that (most?) players enjoy. The longer and more diverse the path to the end, the better.
Season 1 is running for over a year now, and it's unlikely that Season 2 will be any shorter. With experience, the most advanced players will reach Ultimate under 3 months, and if nothing changes, they'll get bored and move on to another game.
Should every player reach Ultimate (or the top league)? I don't think so.
Should every player be able to reach it if they put some effort into it? Definitely yes.
I don't know if you are old enough, but when I was a boy, I was playing Super Mario Bros on my GameBoy, and the last levels were damn hard and unforgiving. You'd spend more time completing the last 5% of the game than the first 95%. But when you saved the Princess from Bowser, you felt sooooo good. 😉
- Approved
@xSSxSUICIDEx wrote:
You guys and your numbers jeez. Here's my opinion. I think most of the player base isn't even in ultimate league and it already takes a long time to get there. I don't think there is a need for higher leagues. All that will do is create leagues with even less people than ultimate league. I think the best solution for maxed players is a leaderboard so they can still have a sense of progression. It's baffling that there isn't a leaderboard already. Maybe even have it reset every week and award gems to the top players. The new leagues just seem like too much and unnecessary.nice. similar to my opinion. this game ONLY need Leaderboard, and new leagues will be just the same boring thing. i bet it even give more stress to players
"Season 1 is running for over a year now, and it's unlikely that Season 2 will be any shorter."
^^ FYI - Season 2 is currently set for FIVE WEEKS only.
@jaydabbler wrote:"Season 1 is running for over a year now, and it's unlikely that Season 2 will be any shorter."
^^ FYI - Season 2 is currently set for FIVE WEEKS only.
Damn! That seems too short unless they are considering modifying the leagues. If it stands as is, I would think people would get burnt out trying to reach ultimate league. But having a season running over a year is way too long. Something like three months seems reasonable to me, but let's see what they bring on.
BPRD
- ApprovedWe are on the official EA/Popcap forum. Can't find any info on this 5 weeks Season 2.
Care to share a link to your source? https://www.reddit.com/r/PvZHeroes/comments/6a6416/galactic_pack_info_and_news_redux_w_season_info/
taken from the code of the game, like all leaked information. some users have access to dev releases of future updates, showing them information not released on this forum.
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