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TheSprinter85
Hero
6 years ago

How should Brainium Basher 9001 be Nerfed?

Hey community,

I have heard many players saying that Brainium Basher 9001 needs a nerf and they would like it to see a nerf. I agree with this: I think Steam Blaster is slightly worse, but I recommend that this gets a (significant) nerf. Now to ask the community: what nerfs do you want to see on this upgrade? Is the damage too high? Is the uppercut too OP? Is the mobility through the roof? And if he got these nerfs, what buffs should he get to make up for it? After all, this legendary upgrade is expensive and it should be worth using for those who would like to.

The final update is coming out at the end of the month. He should be nerfed, we do not want to see this upgrade dominating the game for the rest of the game's life cycle and driving the community away extra fast. Hopefully he will see some sort of nerf, and hopefully become easier to use as well.

I will respond to all answers, and after the first response is made, I will provide mine. For now, see ya!

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  • Iron_Guard8's avatar
    Iron_Guard8
    Legend
    6 years ago

    The mobility is the biggest issue really. It's way to easy to dodge and break LoS when you can move so far and so often. The ability to one shot so many plants (and it's especially weird considering the TTK in BfN is general larger than the prior GW games), and then escape with little to no damage it the main issue with this ability. 

  • Gormey's avatar
    Gormey
    Not applicable
    6 years ago
    @Iron_Guard8 Agreed they can give him 500 hp and do 10000 damage for all I care but I need to be able to hit him...some of the guys that are really good with him I can't even track them...we had one on the weekend where our whole team was chasing him around the map and couldn't catch him.
  • voidlistener's avatar
    voidlistener
    Traveler
    6 years ago
    @TheSprinter85 Damage is fine, but players should be able to notice him earlier. Olds Cool's ball dash indicator for charged attacks should do it.
    For the mobility - uppercut/dash transition should be fixed. Charged attack is not fast, but saving momentum from uppercut by cancelling into 1 lvl dash is. Also, that unfinished Turbo Twister rework would help.
  • Pheesley's avatar
    Pheesley
    Not applicable
    6 years ago

    @TheSprinter85I think Brainium Basher's mobility is the biggest issue. There are just so many ways super brains can keep himself moving with it, and I think a huge part of it is just how spammable the tackle and upward strike is. You can upward strike, tackle and use the momentum to bunny hop for more distance. You can upward strike, tackle, triple jump thump, and sometimes mix it up with super ultra ball to stop yourself in mid air. You could upward strike, tackle, and upward strike again by the time you land, and just repeat upward strikes + tackles.

    Basically its really hard to keep up with a brainium Basher who plays the hit and run playstyle and is constantly using BB to stay mobile. I dont think damage is the problem, and BB has good combo potential, which i personally dont mind. If upward strike couldn't be used as frequently, it would help nerf mobility and combos too.

  • wp9isilpq8r's avatar
    wp9isilpq8r
    Not applicable
    6 years ago

    Max charge deals 110 dmg

    Has a 3 sec cool down before he can dash again (cool down starts at the end of dash) 

    You need to wait 4 sec before using abilities after dash or upper cut. 

    These changes would make it harder to one shot plants with 125 hp (you need to combo your charge with upper cut) 

    Also you can't escape that easly if you miss

  • TheSprinter85's avatar
    TheSprinter85
    Hero
    6 years ago

    @voidlistener and @Pheesley, good points on the mobility, it can seem like they can travel to the moon and back in moments, sometimes I find it difficult to track the BB enemies, so normally I start to sprint to a different area until I find out where they are. They are very unpredictable sometimes! 

    @wp9isilpq8r I can already see those changes making the upgrade much more skill based and much less “cheesy” - to do well with it, you need to be experienced with the upgrade, otherwise it will be hard to achieve anything with it. The same should happen for Steam Blaster!

  • benn1nat0r's avatar
    benn1nat0r
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    @TheSprinter85 EA_PvZ_Mario replied to a tweet saying there will be balancing tweaks in the final update. I hope they will do something about Brainless Smasher.
  • TheSprinter85's avatar
    TheSprinter85
    Hero
    6 years ago

    If BB is not changed in this coming update, apparently balancing changes will continue afterwards. BB may be balanced during this time. It needs it, maybe along with Steam Blaster!

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