Shes not useless, but shes definately out gunned by pretty much all the zombies should they know how to play the game. Im not a bad nightcap myself, its just I find her to be really fast to kill. Even if shes invis an electric slide can still hit her by simply shooting plants near her. Theres currently too many ways to oneshot her. Fungfu is nice and all but you could honestly be of more use to the team playing someone who can take more hits... so any other character
Nightcap is a flanker... her main job, usually, is to clear enemies on the sides (left/right) allowing her teammates to capture objectives. She can also take on enemies from behind to distract them, especially Deadbeard. She's not ideal for defending because of her low HP, unless you have a good reliable Sunflower that can overheal you.
But yeah, you can contest the objective when no one is doing that. I'm not saying don't do it. But it puts you at a huge risk to be around the objective since you're a squishy character and bound to die eating damage from multiple sources.
In some games, you might not get the best score/vanquishes... But if you tried clearing out enemies successfully while having a team that have the will to capture points, then things can go smoothly for everyone. I see many plant teams struggle in Turning Point when all what they can do is just switch to Nightcap and surprise enemies from the back to distract them. It works like a charm.
I just don't like Fung Fu because it's an ability that can get you killed with high risk low reward. Especially since most zombies can evade and also kill you during it. I'd rather have full control of Nightcap if you ask me.
My other problem with Nightcap is Peashooter... Why does Peashooter, who is "slightly" taller than her, has 50 more HP? Peashooter is a hard target to kill and I assume he's one of the main reasons people want sprinting nerfed.
If a peashooter has the homing upgrade and they use pea suped. They are a freaking nightmare to deal with when they start jumping.
On cactus mines. I have no issue getting a lot of vanquishes with potato mines at all. I especially enjoy planting them in the AI summoning piles on TT and in the corners of objectives where zombies go to hide and then set the mines off. I'm currently specced on my cactus so that they act as scanners for my team too which I find highly useful.
I was one who wanted Nightcap nerfed but they may have overdone it. She is very vulnerable to damage and despite her small size isn't that hard to hit unless the person jumps around a lot, a feature they share with Imps (a good Imp player with the current general aiming issues is insanely annoying). I too use Fung Fu far less than her normal spore strike attack as even with the fact that it drops down at long range, as it puts me at less risk than getting stuck in and trying to use Fung Fu.
Butter Beacon for Kernel Corn is so underrated. It's more useful in PvP than PvE, but the ability to highlight enemies, even through walls, and giving you bonus damage to your attacks is something you should want to use a LOT. It makes him far more useful than he otherwise looks like. Not saying he's in an ideal spot, but I've been able to do well with him, and use the beacon often.
Rose is in a weird place. Her utility is incredible, but the way her shots go nowhere when they should be hitting makes her frustrating to play. It's annoying to be on the winning side, constantly jinxing and goating the zombies, and still being low on the team. I'm still waiting for them to improve some of the core shooting/moving/aiming mechanics before I can truly judge her, but she seems to be the worst affected by this problem right now.
There are a few other things that I really think need to be looked at; Scientist, Super Brainz, and Engineer all feel strong with few weaknesses, the space station definitely gets too good with many cadets onboard whereas its not such an issue when and Oak has acorns aboard (Super Sap Trap is still a problem though), and the drone/parrot situation is off. There may be other things that need to be looked at as well (Citron shields and Deadbeard's barrel for example), but we'll have to see what the early November patch does and go from there.
Super Sap Trap is still disgusting. The only times i had to respawn in recent Ops was because of a sudden plop. For whatever reason Barrel and Beans deal less damage but Super Sap deals full damage in Ops. Oh you wanted to react to it? Well... 0.3 seconds was clearly enough and you are just too slow. Don't mind it sticking to you, nobody in your team will remove it anyways. 😞
But what is this with Nightcap? Mushroom is fine now. These projectiles are super strong. My personal favourite Nightcap skill is actually that shadow grenade. I even think that one could use a slight buff to make i last longer. Its useful to help allies, to disrupt groups of zombies and even to revive plants in the middle of a fight. Since anybody is so busy fleeing from it you can just go in and revive somebody. Also good luck running from it when under fire by a Pea Gatling~
What i noticed with Rose is that her homing does not work on the Space Station. I would generally say they overdid her to ensure GW2 does not repeat. But her primary weakness is the speed of her projectiles. Which funnily enough is more of a general problem with all characters in this game.
She gives also an interesting insight into Popcaps design of BFN. As they scratched Time Snare as ability. Time Snare has a strong sudden impact on enemy movement. And that did the development team not want to happen. In favour of running, they degraded it to an upgrade that requires multiple hits to activate.
Anything that stops opponents is super strong in BFN.
Thats also why Super Brainz Jump Thump is so strong. Its a Rocket Leap that sucks enemies in. Followed by Super Ultra Ball its broken. They should change that to a knockback.
@chogath_player Sorry, I think I replied at the same time you posted yours so I haven't realized you said anything about that...
Ah... It always comes to that in discussions, Rose vs Engineer...
It's interesting because most attack heroes aren't parallel either. yet people like comparing Rose to Engineer.
Yes, Rose is not Engineer and you said it yourself... Yes, you can compare them, you are free to do so, of course. Even though they are "Support" they are entirely different since GW2 (aside from her building teleporters in there). And the developers know that very well. They could've made them identical if they wanted, but that's not how it works with PvZ.
Rose's Time Snare upgrade can win you most 1v1 against most heroes. It completely immobilizes enemies, denying them the chance to do anything. Rose has a weird small hitbox, and she's a difficult target to hit while moving and hovering. So she can win most fights if played carefully. Time Snare ALSO snares nearby zombies, it's not limited to one Zombie only... In grouped fights, you deny a group of zombies the chance to escape. This assists your Chompers/Snapdragons significantly as they can get closer to the enemies. (She synergies well with both)
Her main weapon is excellent because it's homing and if your aim was good already, you can make use of all the shots you have without wasting any... Buffing her weapon damage might make her OP and broken. If you can't get Top Asissts in most games, then you're not shooting enough or dying too often to be effective. She is one of the easiest heroes to get assists with. But you can still get many vanquishes if you play her well and be among the top 3 players. (It usually depends on who you're playing with or against when it comes to being top anything.)
Goatify can be used this way:
Arcane Enigma:
Jinx
Rose is actually a difficult hero to make use of due to her high cooldowns. I noticed that most players "just spam" abilities without having priorities or understanding when to use what or how to use them properly. She is a Support hero, so most of what I mentioned is more benifical when you are around your teammates. You shoulnd't go flank on your own or go astray using her, that is not your role (although I do it sometimes, but I know what I'm doing and what I'm getting myself into). Your optimal position is behind other players and not at front because you are a 100 HP hero and need your teammates protection. She is not a sniper or a long range hero, those targets aren't for you to deal with. Although you can shoot stationary turrets from afar if you wanted, since they won't move and you can hit them most certinaly. You can take down parrot pals with ease and that should also be one of your priorities when you play as her.
They need to give her more score/XP for playing her cleverly. E.g. using Arcane Enigma while an enemy player using Crater Maker should give you more XP.
All I want to say is... that she is useful and can punish players while also helping your team evade many highly damaging abilities. She is a great hero that leads to winning and succeeding in Turf Takeover or PvP, regardless of the score/vanquishes, which isn't an accurate method of measuring a hero's usability.
That's all what I can think of...for now
