mech initial cooldown update change explained

Mechs really aren't as hard to kill as you think. A rooted Pea shooter or Sunflower can kill one fast especially by aiming for the *pit as can a chomper by gooping one and the biting or breathing behind it. I think you just have to accept this is a silly cartoon game with lot of kids so they're gonna make it a little more casual friendly than games like Call of Duty or Halo..

yea you are right about that i dont really mind 

people were just arguing with me saying the cooldown is only for the start of a round

and i dont really know if it will make that much of a difference

i dont think players will actively be wanting to resawpn as all the various imp to get the quick mechs on each one every round.

but overall the game will have even more mechs then what it has now

and it might get even stupider...

i predict after the patch it will be mainly imps vs citrons with citrons being 6+ players on plants side 

With sunflower buffs and more sunbeams, and more citron and roses i don't think more mechs will be a problem at all.
To be honest i think mechs are easier to counter than regular imp, since they're giant hitbox walking, eh.

it sounds like theres going to be more problems.

plants side got all the buffs while zombie side only got nerfs 

i feel citron is going to the best class on plants team 

they said he is getting a damage buff faster transitions smaller hitbox 

rose is getting damage buff and charge will be coming back to the game i stopped seeing her fire charge shot it might come back now 

flowers getting a damage buff...

corn is getting some buffs 

on the zombie side electro brain abuse will be over 

superbrain spin hopefully will be something a plant could handle making the move less popular

sharkpirate is getting a nerf

imp is getting a hitbox nerf

all those nerfs are damn needed

but it might be plants team without op rose all over again

so they decided to make mechs the main feature and put it all on his shoulders

i think its going to be mechs vs citrons just like the cover art of the game

btw i think the flower damage buff is a sort of a workaround and not a core fix the problem with flower was not the attacking damage it was the fact the class does not fit the game anymore with all the high powered zombies on attack with all the new abilities 

in gw1 a flower could hold a garden for 7 minutes jump reviving the entire team without major risks or zombie abilities that could stop her 

but in gw2 you have all the new abilities that wont let that happen

the time window for confrontations in gw2 is drastically smaller then gw1 

until now i didnt have a single game where i had meaningful teamwork because there is no time for teamwork 

it all happens too fast and its all too messy like one big team vanquish round 

i have a special video playlist dedicated only for flower healing from gw1

full of runs with the goal of reaching 300+ heals in a round of G&G i could play the healer without even dying 

because the zombie side didnt have something that can cause damage more then reasonable

in GW2 it cant happen its more of a suicide into the garden game which side can 1 for 1 harder

the classes and abilities are designed to favor 1 for 1 gameplay promising you an easy kill before you die via high damage or abilities 

in gw1 even if the casual player wanted to kill you he didnt have a free kill ability ready at the press of a button 

so he tried but it revolved around skill and the better player walked away alive 

this is why flower cant work in gw2 because it favors 1for1 playstyle mechs for example going in the garden with rockets or fire getting some kils then dying right away

and the flower will die no matter what together with her team 

so i am better off just playing a pure attacking class rather then flower

really the only way i see possible to make the flowers work in GW2 is making them tanks 

in gw1 it was not needed but in gw2 flowers should be tanks with 150-175 hp with less attacking power 

making the flower have high hp while having low attack will force the flower player to stick to his team instead of playing a flower alone like a peashooter

Yep,that was a exploit I was gonna talk about that need to be fixed before the next update roll. I didn't know that the initial cooldown was just per variant instead of wharever you switch to a another imp. So It wouldn't be that much of that problem for longer match. But it still something that need to be fixed.

It funny how you assume that they specially make it so that people get a mech more often and for longer considering they probably don't even know that exploit exist at the first place because I didn't saw anyone talking about it until now. They also never specified how much the Z-mech stamina will be increased.

what exploit theres no exploit and no bug 

each variant has its own initial cooldown.

"It funny how you assume that they specially make it so that people get a mech more often and for longer"

that is exactly the reason they are making this change lol 

they want people to use mechs more and more often 

they lower the cooldown from 90 seconds to 60 second and making the mech last 20 seconds longer then the current 60 seconds

if thats not wanting to make people use the mechs faster and longer then i dont know how else to explain it 

watch the stream again at 56 minute mark

he says he feels bad that players only get to call the mech once in a vanquish confirmed round that last 6 minutes 

and they want the player to be able to call the mech a number of times in that time 

A NUMBER OF TIMES = more then one = lots of times = more then one mech = plenty of mechs = MORE MECHS = they want more mechs = they made changes to cooldown and stamina so there will be more mechs = there will be more mechs = MORE MECHS 

Ridiculous.

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@mantisisrael wrote:

what exploit theres no exploit and no bug 

each variant has its own initial cooldown.

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It a exploit in a way that popcap probably not intended for people to change imp variant to get a Z-mech sooner. Compare to cactus drone, which always have the same cooldown no matter the variant.

It true that they said they wanted people to have at least two Z-mech in a game of team vanquish with that change, cus they said it. I'm just saving that they probably intended it to only affect the first Z-mech of a Imp player and simply didn't know that the initial cooldown is different for every variant. Also they never said how much the mech stamina is gonna be boosted,just that it will be longer.

At any case it something that need to be fixed before people start to abuse it.