STOP PLAYING RANKED
Once you get to level 50, why are you still playing ranked play!?!?!? Is there some sort of reward for playing once you’ve reached max level? If not, then STOP PLAYING RANKED PLAY! At that point a...
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I would agree that their needs to be better matchmaking, if it was like hearthstone. If you could drop tanks for losses... But considering that at most you need five wins up to advance, it's only a speed bump, whereas removing the best players from the pool creates worse problems.
I made UL on Friday and I have since only played one non level 50 in league, and that is both sides that I play.
So it is not always terrible
So it is not always terrible
Or perhaps a new matching making where you can choose to fight an ultimate league player? but not in RANK.. seriously do you not realise how annoying it is to come up against someone who has all the very latest legendary's, or is a serious gamer and does nothing but play games? where as your opponent might be a kid, who only gets pocket money and therefore earns most of their cards through getting gems and doesn't play all day every day? OK, your not breaking any laws by being an Ultimate league playing in rank, but you have to pretty sad to play hard against gold level that might only have a third of the cards.. where is the challenge in that? says more about the Ultimate league player than the gold player trying to level up - as in, they want an easy target to massage their ego.
I have a new account, and since starting it only a week ago.. I've been matched once to an Ultimate league. As that new account only has the bare minimum in it, it really is not much fun playing against an Ultimate league. You can be sure they had way more cards, and way more powerful cards than my very new little green shadow.
- Sure, but you're acting like we choose to face you. Like patdk pointed out, it isn't that often for us that we don't get even matches. We aren't padding our egos, we're trying to get food matches too, which we normally do.
We don't get them in casual. I can't tell you how many pacifiers I see in casual. Which leads to conceding first round, or timing out or very unfortunate matches.
Don't take it personal like we're the problem. - on my older account, I see ultimate league often. I'd thought about writing a post in here about it, but never got round to it. But I do think its not right to have Ultimate's fighting ranks below Taco. You know why people concede in casual mode, they don't have the confidence, or cards to fight you. So what makes you think its going to be a fair fight in rank mode?People don't concede in rank mode as they have more to lose.
- We really do play each other more than you think. You may see us often, but I see you guys rarely myself, then you might play a different ultimate leaguer. But e face each other for more in ranked... And e don't care about losing in ranked, we just care about the better match.
I've said it before, create a new bracket for ULs to play ULs exclusively. Might work, might not.
BPRD
- And what would work, is if you have reached 50 then the following season all ultimate leaguers are in a separate league that starts every person who made UL back to 30.
We would still have a nice amount of players and it could be an easy way to separate the free to play beginners a little more, which is not a bad thing. The better players that enjoy the game will stick with it and slowly but surely climb up and get a few cards as you continue to add to your collection.
I'm not saying that the free to play should have their own league, more like making ultimate league actually have meaning.
Does any of that make sense to anyone? - Interesting idea, @patdk75 ! While @ makes a good point, though lacks tact, it is important to retain a challenge or others will abuse the system and wait til most Ultimates are moved over into a secondary ranking.
It's still important to consider the frustrations of other players, regardless of skill, and this has been a recurring issue.
I think this issue is probably best solved through a better match-making algorithm (if possible at this point).
I wouldn't mind waiting an extra 20 seconds or w/e to match up against someone as skilled as me, and I'd assume most people would feel the same. It's not just about making it easier for the lesser skilled/those with fewer resources, it's about maintaining a challenge for more skilled players as well.
What do you think? - I think that is pretty much what @daalnnii was trying to get across to the OP
No matter how, if there is a way, somebody will try to take advantage of the situation, or get an unfair advantage if possible.
I'm pretty competitive and that probably is from growing up and playing sports on team or pickup, so I definitely like to win, but I don't have to step on the heads of the low levels to get to level 50, so I sure don't want to play them when I get an urge to play. - Yeah. I was writing it better, in a way which supports discussion.
The idea you brought up has really gotten me thinking.
-what other type of competitive game could be added? I really like the puzzle, but can't think of a way to make that competitive - nothing I said was rude... If they can't handle the truth that they're looking for easier wins, and it hurts their feelings, I can't help them. Being blunt isn't stopping the conversation at all.
Fact of the matter is, if you're a level 19 trying to get to 20... It only takes there wins in a row. If you can't eventually get that, you're not ready for 20. You can't blame it on ultimate Leaguers because I promise you if they say that's all they face, they're lying. If you're a 39 trying to get to 40 and upset you have to play an ultimate leaguer; well, what do you think we play at 39 when the season starts? Oh yeah, each other!
They keep bringing up that it should be fun for f2p players at the expense of those who are paying. 1. From a business perspective do you think it makes sense to alienate those who have shown they pay over and over again? 2. Why do you feel so damn entitled to get to rank higher than what you are if you can't beat players the same way we had to? Is it so hard for some of you to accept that maybe the rank your are is where you belong?
Let's say we all just do play each other. All the time like your saying. Well, we still made it to ultimate. If you can't and we're all playing the same people, then technically, you're where you belong.
These are truths, they don't take away from discussion. But this mentality is basically asking the Patriots to sit this season out. It's not fair to the other teams to have to face last season champions! Should Alabama have walked of the field on Sunday because they were playing Tennessee? There was no way for Tennessee to win... Are they crying because it's not fair that unseeded teams have to play the number 1 ranked team? I’ve made ultimate every season and when I’m playing ranked once I reach ultimate, I will usually take them until it’s obvious I’m going to win and then I’ll resign. Stars mean nothing and I’m not trying to keep people from advancing in ranks. That said, if you’re trying to climb, don’t be discouraged when you see a higher ranked player. Most everything I’ve learned in this game was from playing people better than I. Watch what they play and when they play it. Really pay attention to what they’re doing. I gaurantee you it will make you a better player.
- I still think that people are putting way too much stock into the league, and if they realized that for all the glory of having the ul badge and dragonfruit icon, all that separates ultimate from gold(level 20) is 3 packs.
Conceding is the right thing to do if you are ranked 50 and playing below 30 when you have it in the bag. It doesn't hurt you and you got to play a little bit. Kicking little kids doesn't make you a man.
- @0IOWEFWEFUIOWEFW No, it isn't. You're asking players to fix the game, instead of the devs. Sorry, that's not how it works.
You're asking other, better, paying players, to give up their game, so you can get a win you don't deserve. Sorry, that's entitlement.
You're acting like they chose or enjoy playing you. No, that's wishful thinking so you can justify your entitlement.
Your acting like you deserve the win for free and that we can't be beaten by lower level players. That's just not true. If you can beat me, you can get the win. Many lower levels have. Maybe you're just not as good as you think you are.
You're acting like it's a grown man walking down the street bullying kids. It's not. It's two trained, willing fighters randomly matched, but then they loser is crying about being bullied because they're outclassed.
Have you ever considered, maybe ranked is for men and not little kids who can't take a kick? Why should we leave, you're the ones who aren't ready... And I don't say that because you're losing, I say that because you're not grown enough to accept your losses without changing the game or asking others to change how they play. They've got a playlist for that.... Casual.
@0IOWEFWEFUIOWEFW wrote:Conceding is the right thing to do if you are ranked 50 and playing below 30 when you have it in the bag. It doesn't hurt you and you got to play a little bit. Kicking little kids doesn't make you a man.
You really need some perspective and a dose of reality.
This isn't life or death. And no one is "kicking little kids" either.
Winning and losing are parts of life. It doesn't do anyone any good to be given handouts.
I would never let my own kids win when we play board games. What would that teach them?
I would actually play more casual after getting to ultimate league each season, but ever since the game added rank symbols to the start screen of casual games, it is a huge pain in the *. More than 50% of the time my opponent disconnects when they see the ultimate league rank picture. Sometimes I just don't feel like screwing around looking for games where my opponent will actually stick around.
@daalnnii wrote:
@0IOWEFWEFUIOWEFW No, it isn't. You're asking players to fix the game, instead of the devs. Sorry, that's not how it works.
You're asking other, better, paying players, to give up their game, so you can get a win you don't deserve. Sorry, that's entitlement.
You're acting like they chose or enjoy playing you. No, that's wishful thinking so you can justify your entitlement.I couldn't say it any better than that.
I have drawn two conclusions from this discussion.
One, I'm clearly not making my point at all. I don't give a * about having the 50 star rank to show off how awesome my completely anonymous username is. What's the point of a status symbol in a game that doesn't even show you my name or face? I am talking about the CARD BENEFITS ONLY! In a free to play game where you can just play the game to grow your card base, what's the harm of letting EVERYONE benefit from the system that's in place? It's not about winning games for some BS status symbol nonsense, it's about giving other players the chance to build their card collection. If Pokemon cards were free but you had to play games to get them, then I'd step out of the way once I couldn't gain any more benefits from playing so others could GET THE CARDS! Not the ridiculous, useless, utterly pointless status symbol of a stupid gold star. Are you getting me yet? It's about the CARDS! Not the title.
Besides, now that I've learned the difference between 20 and 50 is 3 packs I'm probably only going to play ranked to get those gem rewards between levels. It's not worth it for anything else.
Number two thing I've learned. Some of you people take this game way too seriously. I'm "entitled" because I want to get to the ultimate? First off, that just tells me you're not understanding what I'm saying. Hopefully I've finally laid it out in a comprehensive manor. Second, relax man. It's a stupid, pointless little gold star. You didn't win the purple heart. Get over yourself.
Let me put it another way. If I owned 4 copies of all the cards, I would never play ranked because that level ranking is meaningless. I'd play for fun and I'd play the challenges. Again, in a game where you can build a collection by playing the game, what do you level 50 players have to gain by playing ranked once you've made 50?
- If you want to get to ultimate; pay, get better, out yourself in a position to compete. You're wanting it handed to you by removing those who did that from play. Can you explain how that isn't entitlement?
- You're basically saying that free players that don't have all the cards should be the ones who matter and the only ones in ranked. Just writing that out sounds ignorant.
Yes, because when the first people who rose to rank 50 in any given season did it they were not playing against level 50 players. It's impossible that every level 50 person played at least one rank 50 person to get there. Me asking to play level 49 and under only isn't entitlement. It's asking for you to not be a *. I'm willing to extend that courtesy, why aren't you?
On top of that, what makes you so cocky that only level 50 people are good players or have the only good decks? I've been stomped by people on all levels. Why is the level 50 players some sort of rite of passage that I must be forced to walk? Why must YOU be forced to walk it? You do realize that if all level 50 players stopped playing at ultimate than YOUR climb to 50 would be the same as mine, right?
YES! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING!
It's a game that literally has a built in system that allows for you to get all the cards for free. I'm saying I'm a CCG socialist. If everyone can game the system, then everyone SHOULD game the system! Why are you not getting this?
I'll say this again, because I'm still not convinced you understand my point; keep your stupid ranking system! I don't want to be level 50 for the sake of being level 50. I want to get the most advantage I can to get the cards and I want that for everybody. If the makers of this game didn't want us to take advantage of their system this way then they shouldn't have built it that way. Why are you NOT trying to game the system? I am honestly, deeply confused by your push back to this? Do you seriously not think that we should all take full advantage of the system? What's wrong with you?!?!
@daalnnii wrote:
You're basically saying that free players that don't have all the cards should be the ones who matter and the only ones in ranked. Just writing that out sounds ignorant.YES, YES, YES, OVER AND OVER YES!
IMO, the game only gets really interesting when EVERYONE has all the cards. Then you get to see real creativity in action. Then you get to see deck building that matters. It's an impossible goal, but, yes, I want EVERYONE, not just me, to have access to more resources.
- Who do you think that level 30 we're playing against is? Were they level ones when the prior season finished? If anything, we have to face BETTER players than you to get to 50 as is. Seriously, if you want to get to ultimate, why shouldn't you need the same things we do to get there? What don't you understand? What happens next season when you start of with us and have to terrible a deck to compete at your inflated rank? What, then we separate free players completely because they deserve ultimate even though they're not willing to put in money or work like the rest of us?
