The Plant Struggle Is Real
I don't know why, but over the past several days, where I have mostly been on plant teams during Turf take over, the plants can't seem to win. Not just losing the game, but rarely even making it past...
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@AWMaxSterling wrote:Your posts aren't worth replies or attention. You're the type of person that they listen to... and end up screwing the game up even further.
With all due respects I could also say that your replies don't warrant any attention because you're attitude towards others creates an air of self-importance, giving the impression that your opinions - and your opinions only - are the only ones that matter within these forums. I could further add that you've gotten quite good at climbing atop your pedestal by pulling the above quote in order to assert your supposed superior authority over us minions and low life's... But I won't because, unlike you, i'm not the judgemental type.
Look, the important thing to remember is that everyone on this forum has purchased this game and although it most definitely doesn't give them the definitive right to demand actions that suit their needs, it DOES give them the right to pass comment about how they feel about GW2 and offer feedback as to how they think the game would improve for the benefit of everyone concerned. Just because a person doesn't agree with a suggestion (or it doesn't factor in with their own ideals) it most definitely doesn't give them the god given right to dispel said idea as total garbage. Not here, not anywhere.
I'm assuming that PopCap take on board all feedback (positive and negative) so like it or not, ALL comments count. Good, bad, trivial, pointless, inspirational or just plain stupid. It's really doesn't matter so long as somewhere along the lines PopCap can collate enough data and act accordingly. Perhaps you need to recognise that fact, AWM.
@B0RiS_THE_FR0G wrote:
@AWMaxSterling wrote:
Your posts aren't worth replies or attention. You're the type of person that they listen to... and end up screwing the game up even further.
With all due respects I could also say that your replies don't warrant any attention because you're attitude towards others creates an air of self-importance, giving the impression that your opinions - and your opinions only - are the only ones that matter within these forums. I could further add that you've gotten quite good at climbing atop your pedestal by pulling the above quote in order to assert your supposed superior authority over us minions and low life's... But I won't because, unlike you, i'm not the judgemental type.
Look, the important thing to remember is that everyone on this forum has purchased this game and although it most definitely doesn't give them the definitive right to demand actions that suit their needs, it DOES give them the right to pass comment about how they feel about GW2 and offer feedback as to how they think the game would improve for the benefit of everyone concerned. Just because a person doesn't agree with a suggestion (or it doesn't factor in with their own ideals) it most definitely doesn't give them the god given right to dispel said idea as total garbage. Not here, not anywhere.
I'm assuming that PopCap take on board all feedback (positive and negative) so like it or not, ALL comments count. Good, bad, trivial, pointless, inspirational or just plain stupid. It's really doesn't matter so long as somewhere along the lines PopCap can collate enough data and act accordingly. Perhaps you need to recognise that fact, AWM.
I honestly don't care what people think of my replies. If they're an idiot and posting like an idiot... I'll call them an idiot.
As for providing feedback, sure everyone has the right, but not everyone should give an opinion or provide feedback... or post without thinking. Which is what happens on these forums. If people can't handle getting negative feedback on their post, then they probably shouldn't be posting on forums, anyways. I always post expecting someone to disagree and always look forward to a heated exchange. If they can't defend their stance on something, then they obviously haven't thought it out enough.
In the end, I'm not on the forums to make friends. I'm here to make sure we get the game we deserve. Could care less if I have to ruffle some feathers along the way...
I always post expecting someone to disagree and always look forward to a heated exchange.
There's a difference in expecting it, and attempting to instigate it. It is as much how you say something as what you say. You can offer up points for a debate without wording it in such a way as to insight people to anger. Civility should be maintained. Which means not calling people names. You can say you disagree, or I think you're wrong because XYZ....but leave the name calling out of it.
In the end, I'm not on the forums to make friends. I'm here to make sure we get the game we deserve.
Well, that's too bad, why not make friends with fellow GW fans? That's not a bad thing
So are we, which is why we're pointing out issues we believe the game has. as well as bugs we can confirm the game has. And where we can, suggesting ways to correct them.
It's good we're ALL doing what we can to improve this game. 😇
@AWMaxSterling wrote:
@B0RiS_THE_FR0G wrote:
@AWMaxSterling wrote:Your posts aren't worth replies or attention. You're the type of person that they listen to... and end up screwing the game up even further.
With all due respects I could also say that your replies don't warrant any attention because you're attitude towards others creates an air of self-importance, giving the impression that your opinions - and your opinions only - are the only ones that matter within these forums. I could further add that you've gotten quite good at climbing atop your pedestal by pulling the above quote in order to assert your supposed superior authority over us minions and low life's... But I won't because, unlike you, i'm not the judgemental type.
Look, the important thing to remember is that everyone on this forum has purchased this game and although it most definitely doesn't give them the definitive right to demand actions that suit their needs, it DOES give them the right to pass comment about how they feel about GW2 and offer feedback as to how they think the game would improve for the benefit of everyone concerned. Just because a person doesn't agree with a suggestion (or it doesn't factor in with their own ideals) it most definitely doesn't give them the god given right to dispel said idea as total garbage. Not here, not anywhere.
I'm assuming that PopCap take on board all feedback (positive and negative) so like it or not, ALL comments count. Good, bad, trivial, pointless, inspirational or just plain stupid. It's really doesn't matter so long as somewhere along the lines PopCap can collate enough data and act accordingly. Perhaps you need to recognise that fact, AWM.
I honestly don't care what people think of my replies. If they're an idiot and posting like an idiot... I'll call them an idiot.
As for providing feedback, sure everyone has the right, but not everyone should give an opinion or provide feedback... or post without thinking. Which is what happens on these forums. If people can't handle getting negative feedback on their post, then they probably shouldn't be posting on forums, anyways. I always post expecting someone to disagree and always look forward to a heated exchange. If they can't defend their stance on something, then they obviously haven't thought it out enough.
In the end, I'm not on the forums to make friends. I'm here to make sure we get the game we deserve. Could care less if I have to ruffle some feathers along the way...
I believe if EA/PopCap predicted your attitude and behaviour now they wouldn't have given you a free copy of anything.
I have been given free games in the past by balancing and practically making the game too, what difference does that make to my opinion here?
If I wasn't too busy getting Rank 1-313 in the month between beta and release, I would have given some incredible feedback on the forums also, and without a doubt I would have probably been offered a free copy. You won't have been the only one to receive it, they give it to players who report bugs and glitches, make an impact, and spend hours dedicated to helping the game.
Now that you're sat there with your free copy, you're trying to tell everyone else they're not entitled to an opinion in a game which they PAID for? Seriously???
You really are an idiot...and your feedback reflects this.
http://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/New-ability-suggestions/m-p/5164247#U5164247
Also in regards to Rose, your balance changes or whatever you claim...of course you're going to comment on overpowered plant classes, because you're a bloody zombie loving scrub, who will do and say whatever it takes to make your time on the game enjoyable.
You don't care about balance, because if you did you would be agreeing with me instead of thinking up new abilities for zombies...
I couldn't care less if you try and ruffle my feathers by contradicting me, you can't even spell the word properly...scrub.
You aren't making logical sense. You can't add the chance of winning in one map, and the chance of winning in another map, and then add all the chances of winning together and sum it up to 40, round that up to a fabricated number of 47% and then use that to claim classes are balanced. Stop trying to be smart, it's making you look really dumb.
Even if the zombies team lose it isn't because the plants are balanced, it is probably because zombies were too busy farming kills from the spawn point to even care about the bloody objective! Rendering all your points invalid, sorry.
Just look at the size of your ego man. Look at how you reply to people that disagree. Are you always this right IRL?
I'm just showing an average winrate across maps on turf takeover. There's nothing wrong with that at all. Devs would do it to see which sides are winning as a whole across their game and gametypes. Winrates over 47% in other games ARE considered balanced. For someone with, what was it again 97% A Level maths? (Not sure why you felt the need to inform people of that btw other than ego) please point out what's wrong with my method. BTW I didn't round it up to 47%. Not sure where you read that.
Maps clearly do play a massive part. In competitive play on the PC some maps are taken out of rotation due to imbalance. That's fact.
People are making false claims like only winning 1 in 10 of their plant games, 200 assists per match, or that plants can's get boasts (*cough* looking at you *cough*). You know that's *.
If that was true they'd have:
- Be really, really unlucky and always have zomburbia and moon base z in rotation.
- They aren't very good at the game and are part of the reason the side they are on loses
- Are good at the game kdr wise but don't realise they need to actually cap points to win.
- Just plain exaggerating their loss or lying.
All this constant whining is reinforcing players opinion that they can't possibly expect to win as plants, which is a complete fallacy. You are part of the problem in that respect.
Seeing as you're so amazing in game, and life, I'd have thought that you'd have recognised that it is much more beneficial to try and explain to fellow players that it is still possible to win, how to counter them etc. You will only gain in skill playing against better (or OP) players. You should know that too from all your competitive play on the pc. Oh wait you didn't actually compete in anything despite your bluster. In comparison I have several thousand official, friendly and mixes under my belt. You know games under actual comp. rules in an enclosed environment. Not pub hero playtime.
An example of people needing to L2P.
Zomburbia last night, unbalanced game 7 plants, 9 zombies. It placed me on zombies so I switched to plants to even it up. We had 4 cactus out of 8 players sat at spawn at the first cap. WTF was they thinking. How did they expect to counter the zombies attempting to rush our spawn with that sort of choice. They couldn't snipe from that position, only use their drones. Yet these are the kind of people that could potentially come on here, see your threads, and decide it's not their fault they lost, it's the game. Perfect Dunning-Kruger (look it up, like ad hominem you might learn something)
I'm not claiming that zombies aren't OP. Far from it; but they only need minor nerfs, and most certainly not the ridiculous list of plant buffs you passed off as 'balanced' because you said so, and your opinion comes from god himself.
@Zaheen1337 wrote:Even if the zombies team lose it isn't because the plants are balanced, it is probably because zombies were too busy farming kills from the spawn point to even care about the bloody objective! Rendering all your points invalid, sorry.
Seriously??? That's why plants win much more on the defensive maps? Where it suits their playstyle. Where they aren't even farming kills because they are too busy dying. Yes right of course because otherwise you'd be wrong, and that can't possibly be so. You're an idiot. Rendering all my points invalid? There's that massive ego again.
You know what baffles me the most about you? You somehow found the time from GW2's beta release to buy GW1 and level up to max. How could you possibly have all those hours free and still have the time to be so awesome, go to work on a very high wage because you're amazing, gifted and intelligent to boot and date all those hot women with that massive * of yours? Your life really is a shining example to us all.
Lol, where am I suppose to start with that?
My maths trophy and A level results were to imply I'm not going to fall for some fabricated made up number, by you or anyone. You may win 100% of your games, where as Joe Bloggs may win only 30% of his. You cannot break down someone else's claims and add them to your own experience to make up a value, and then add more to that made up value and end up with 47%. I then stated that even if it was true, which it bloody isn't, it would be because zombies don't care about defending the objective because they want the plants to take it so they can farm MORE kills.
I haven't lied about anything, I really did get 200 assists with the Welder, and I bet I could get very similar figures online as well because that class has as much splash as toxic pea if not more...
My personal life or what I'm doing with my time right now isn't really any of your business. I've made the choice of taking a few months off work, the comments about ladies was from high school until now and it's not many, and that comment can't be taken back and it was in response to someone who was being pretty offensive. The reply above by me was made at someone else acting so ridiculous that I felt he needed to be put in his place, but that person wasn't you, was it? It's just you seem to like holding his hand which isn't my problem is it, it's your own.
Anyway man, I still disagree with your points. Primarily because you're wrong...you are however entitled to your own opinion, however wrong or right you think it is. 😉
Bottom line is, plants have very little / next to no burst at all. The few bombs they do have can be blasted into space from what I've heard and well when trying to capture a base with classes that were designed to be defensive, you're going to struggle badly. When you're attacking classes that have over 5x the health you do, and 5x the damage output you do (Vampire Flower vs Mech) for example, you're up against impossible odds. Now please absorb this fact into your tiny little brain so we can agree on something and move on.
