10 years ago
The Plant Struggle Is Real
I don't know why, but over the past several days, where I have mostly been on plant teams during Turf take over, the plants can't seem to win. Not just losing the game, but rarely even making it past...
@InC0g wrote:
@AlexP1980 wrote:The point is that if we pick average teams and we make them play 2 games, one with zombies and one with plants vs each other, the zombie team wins easily both games 90% of the time in turf takeover.No way in hell is that accurate. I'm winning way more than that as plants in that mode. Sure if you got stuck playing zomburbia (and Moon Base Z to a certain extent) all the time i'd agree with that, but on other maps plants can easily win too.
So you are saying that in 2 maps plants don't have a chance and the others (when defending) got 50%? It's 75% winning rate for zombies. If you feel it's ok...
@AlexP1980
@AlexP1980 wrote:
@InC0g wrote:
@AlexP1980 wrote:
The point is that if we pick average teams and we make them play 2 games, one with zombies and one with plants vs each other, the zombie team wins easily both games 90% of the time in turf takeover.No way in hell is that accurate. I'm winning way more than that as plants in that mode. Sure if you got stuck playing zomburbia (and Moon Base Z to a certain extent) all the time i'd agree with that, but on other maps plants can easily win too.
So you are saying that in 2 maps plants don't have a chance and the others (when defending) got 50%? It's 75% winning rate for zombies. If you feel it's ok...
Well I've just taken you from winning 1 in 10 to a comparatively huge 1 in 4 without any effort on your part whatsoever. You can thank me later 🙂
I can improve your odds even further if you take into account that plants tend to win Great White North and Seeds of Time more often than not (in my experience of course). I'd say they win those around 75% of the time.
So now your at a 37.5% chance of winning, or just over 1 in 3.
But wait it gets even better. They don't always lose Zomburbia and Moon Base Z either...
Even if they only won a lowly 1 in 20 of those two you would now have a whopping 40% chance of winning.
I'd say anything hovering around or over 46-7% win rates are getting as close to balanced as possible, as there will always be slight variation. Looking at it like that I don't really feel as if we're that far off it. A few more wins on the bad maps and you'd be there. Of course that is for Turf Takeover / Herbal Assault. Other modes / maps will be different. You have to think that Buffs / Nerfs in one gametype can have larger implications in others.
On a final note; If you jump into MP and see Zomburbia and Moon Base Z load don't think "oh we're screwed, I can't be arsed with this", why not think "hey we've got a really good chance of winning if we can get past those couple of awkward cap points". If you go in with a defeatist attitude to start with it's as good as a loss from the outset. Besides it can only improve your gameplay to play something more challenging, whilst the ones having an easier time of it learn nothing at all.
It a shame that one of the two gamemode of the most popular playlist, herbal assault,is the gamemode in which plant team suffer the most, they really didn't seem that bad at any other gamemode, it just that herbal assault really don't play well with plant team strength. Mostly in the fact that chomper and cactus are just horrible to capture point with.
I won't deny that there clearly a imbalance between plant and zombie,but that game-mode just make seem like that plant are UP while the trust is that they're fine and that zombie team is just a tad OP right now.
Here you go. Now where exactly did I say plants win 47% of games?
@InC0g wrote:
@AlexP1980
@AlexP1980 wrote:
@InC0g wrote:
@AlexP1980 wrote:
The point is that if we pick average teams and we make them play 2 games, one with zombies and one with plants vs each other, the zombie team wins easily both games 90% of the time in turf takeover.No way in hell is that accurate. I'm winning way more than that as plants in that mode. Sure if you got stuck playing zomburbia (and Moon Base Z to a certain extent) all the time i'd agree with that, but on other maps plants can easily win too.
So you are saying that in 2 maps plants don't have a chance and the others (when defending) got 50%? It's 75% winning rate for zombies. If you feel it's ok...
Well I've just taken you from winning 1 in 10 to a comparatively huge 1 in 4 without any effort on your part whatsoever. You can thank me later 🙂
I can improve your odds even further if you take into account that plants tend to win Great White North and Seeds of Time more often than not (in my experience of course). I'd say they win those around 75% of the time.
So now your at a 37.5% chance of winning, or just over 1 in 3.
But wait it gets even better. They don't always lose Zomburbia and Moon Base Z either...
Even if they only won a lowly 1 in 20 of those two you would now have a whopping 40% chance of winning.
I'd say anything hovering around or over 46-7% win rates are getting as close to balanced as possible, as there will always be slight variation. Looking at it like that I don't really feel as if we're that far off it. A few more wins on the bad maps and you'd be there. Of course that is for Turf Takeover / Herbal Assault. Other modes / maps will be different. You have to think that Buffs / Nerfs in one gametype can have larger implications in others.
On a final note; If you jump into MP and see Zomburbia and Moon Base Z load don't think "oh we're screwed, I can't be arsed with this", why not think "hey we've got a really good chance of winning if we can get past those couple of awkward cap points". If you go in with a defeatist attitude to start with it's as good as a loss from the outset. Besides it can only improve your gameplay to play something more challenging, whilst the ones having an easier time of it learn nothing at all.
PS. When do you think you'll be able to show us all a video of you getting a measly 100 assists (I don't require the full 200) ?
Locking this thread now.
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