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Pheesley
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6 years ago

Velocity and Drag distance changes aren't enough. Add damage dropoff.

Although Velocity and drag distance changes are a step in the right direction, unsurprisingly this has not changed the gameplay of the classes these were most directed towards.

Despite All-Star getting a damage nerf with no warning, he is still strong at long range.

Chonper's Slobber shot can still do 34 - 41 damage at any range, even though he is a melee class.

Nightcap, Imp, and Acorn, still play the same even after the Jan 28 patch. They lack the firepower to make up for their low health, so the best thing to do is to shoot people from a distance. Heck, this patch actually makes Hardened and Parkour almost seem fair (which they are not). These classes dont do good damage but just enough to make them good at medium range, making them very boring to play.

None of these classes should do max damage at long ranges. All-star is a defense class. Attacking at longer ranges is for suppression and giving covering fire, NOT to get kills.

Chomper is a melee class. Slobber shot should not be his best tool for killing, but simply a way to finish off retreating enemies.

Nightcap, Imp, and Acorn, should be in close range to be effective. Small characters that are more difficult to hit, should not be effective at longer ranges.

Which leads to my 2nd point: Damage Dropoff. Velocity and Drag distance changes was not the solution, but actually only a piece of the puzzle. This along with damage dropoff will help the gunplay feels so much better.

Let me ask you this. What is the point of flanking and good positioning if you can do Max damage at any range? I believe the lack of Damage dropoff is making the gunplay feel too casual, dumb, and unsatisfying. Overall, the game feels the same even after this patch.

Also we need 12 v 12 back please, thank you.

Side note: If the game gets damage dropoff, then Acorn, Imp, and Nightcap are going to need better damage at close ranges. These classes are basically Soldier and Corn but worse. And I also wouldn't mind All-star doing 8 - 10 damage per shot again.

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  • ippig's avatar
    ippig
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    6 years ago
    @Pheesley Agreed! I don't see a reason not to add damage drop-off and yet PopCap decided to ignore the community's feedback.
  • DeAtHaDDiCtiOn5's avatar
    DeAtHaDDiCtiOn5
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    6 years ago

    @Pheesley I definitely agree with you 100%. Playing as All-Star, even with a slight velocity drop-off, I can still shoot from very long distances with very little effort. Instead of the footballs flying straight, now they slightly arch which is easy to compensate for. All-Star is still a monster in any mode you play, even after the “balance” update. 

    Chompers melee attack was thankfully buffed, encouraging players to get in close like he was intended to do. But I see players still using Chomper as a long range, sniper-type character. Using the Slobber Shot is intended exactly as you described; finishing a player off when they are fleeing. I rarely see that used in the manner and until the damage is decreased, nothing is going to be different. 

    I feel the only character that can do max damage at a distance is Deadbeard and Cactus. It takes skill and practice to be a good sniper and you should be rewarded if you’re one of those players. Everyone else, as you stated, should not be doing max damage at a long distance. This causes a lot of players to play defensively and don’t push the action. 

  • Jacob2of3's avatar
    Jacob2of3
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    6 years ago

    @Pheesley just for a quick FYI nothing in the game says that anything about drag was added. which would mean any and all the mentioned drag changes in the patch notes are not true. 

  • Jacob2of3's avatar
    Jacob2of3
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    6 years ago

    @Pheesley Testing it out says other wise. Imp is just the best example. At 25m imps projectile speed should be 200m/s. If you go in game and test this out you can tell that it doesnt change. The only conclusion that I can come to is that the drag was not added. This can be supported by people that have data mined the game. Also 500m/s and 200m/s is a pretty big difference you should be able to tell. 

  • Gormey's avatar
    Gormey
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    6 years ago

    The only one they figured out how to screw over at range was imp...they added recoil and now he's almost useless because of his low damage up close and difficulty to hit at range...overall it seems like plants got the best of it.

  • Gormey's avatar
    Gormey
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    6 years ago

    Also playing rose is almost cheating now with the changes to other chars, I was dropping players like crazy.

  • Pheesley's avatar
    Pheesley
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    6 years ago

    @Jacob2of3do you think they only forgot Imp?All star and chomper definitely feel different.

    And Nightcap velocity was buffed I think

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