We need a new PvZ shooter
It's been too quiet for too long. BfN lost new content support over a year ago now, and the playerbase is mostly focused on GW2 from what I can see from playing online, the video content on YouTube, ...
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I'm not actually tired of hearing this at all to be honest, in fact the more I hear this, the more I like it, although I got to say that it currently does not seem likely. I still have hope for a future shooter, although I understand at this point that it could be close to impossible.
If I am not mistaken, quite a significant amount of GW players would really still want to see a future shooter. The Garden Warfare series performed really well from my understanding, and the problem with BFN, while I actually do like a bunch of the changes, went in a completely different path to the other shooters and that is basically what went wrong.
I honestly think it is not great that none of the shooter games are being updated, and I am not just talking about BFN either. Even updates for the GW games would be good to see and would hopefully keep players playing, because again from my understanding, new players are playing the shooters, although some of the veterans are starting to stop playing because there is no new content to look forward to.
I always find updates really exciting, and now with them dropped in all shooters (this also includes PvZ Heroes as well with the shooters, as it suffers the same problem) players are going to start leaving. I literally see players with starter ranks basically every day I play any shooter, so new players are still joining the shooter franchise.
Now, am I wrong, or has it been over a year since any of the shooters or PvZ Heroes has gotten an update? I still sort of feel the disappointment of when it was announced that the game would stop getting the updates. It really has not felt that long since BFN has lost the official content support.
Because of how long it has been, I do understand again that it's nothing to be looking forward to at this point (unless we get official confirmation) but I still do hope that a future shooter would be planned, even if I hear that is what EA is simply planning to do, that would be awesome to hear, but no such promises currently! 🤔
@stukapookaOh, I'm well aware we may never see another PvZ shooter, and things are very dark for the game part of the franchise right now. But, the number one reason I still post here is to keep the games out there in the open. I have no idea how much attention the EA forum personnel look at these forums, but the heck if I'm giving up on these games now. We're itching for a new shooter, and I want to keep things going as best I can.
That one excellent video from the content creators we've seen before points out that GW3 doesn't even have to do that much to be well received, although it would have been more well received, had they not launched BfN in such a mess. While not an exhaustive list, the following would be excellent:
- Fix the bugs in GW2
- Improve the netcode so hit registration will be far less of an issue
- Balance things better (character variants, alternate abilities, and so on)
- Stop selling power, like the torch and tail pack, make anything like that attainable in game (yes, it's a product and EA/PopCap need to make money, but don't be so egregious about it)
- Support the game for a long time, stop pulling active support so early. Let's be honest here, had they just kept adding to GW2, we'd see a much livelier population on the forums and in game. We lost so many long term folks, going back to GW's forums (I wasn't active here till GW2 was out), that would largely still be here with us.
And a new game would almost certainly build on that list too. GW3 could simply be GW2 with what I listed there and some new characters/variants, and we'd be golden, imagine if they also brought back the GW maps (with some alterations to balance them out better, we don't need the return of the 90% rooftop campers), added some new ones, and gave us free roam regions like in BfN but also made them more appealing for return trips. I'd be onboard from day one, and I'm not the only one!
@Iron_Guard8A gw3 should simply build upon what 1&2 laid out before it seems to be the popular opinion and I agree how ever they definetly will need to improve after bfn and imo the community needs to ponder why bfn was made in the first place over a true gw3. Was it a smaller budget, overwatch, or something else?
Any way my wishlist for a gw3 would include:
1. New ai enemies that aren't reskins of browncoats for the 50th time. Send tv head and wildflower to the void or rework them but get them outta here!
2. Better ai all around as bfn's was definitely worse than 2's.
3. The animation and effect details have to improved as gw2's were way more detailed than bfn's. How the heck does a game with less effects to work with have them look worse than the ps3 port?
4. Don't completely shaft ops and the non turf maps in terms of design and layout.
5. Buff the pots, no exceptions.
6. New ops bosses that aren't reskinned boss hunts.
7. Bot support for all maps and modes.
8. Don't rush characters and maps or half bake them. Quality>quantity
@stukapooka wrote:@Iron_Guard8A gw3 should simply build upon what 1&2 laid out before it seems to be the popular opinion and I agree how ever they definetly will need to improve after bfn and imo the community needs to ponder why bfn was made in the first place over a true gw3. Was it a smaller budget, overwatch, or something else?
Any way my wishlist for a gw3 would include:
1. New ai enemies that aren't reskins of browncoats for the 50th time. Send tv head and wildflower to the void or rework them but get them outta here!
2. Better ai all around as bfn's was definitely worse than 2's.
3. The animation and effect details have to improved as gw2's were way more detailed than bfn's. How the heck does a game with less effects to work with have them look worse than the ps3 port?
4. Don't completely shaft ops and the non turf maps in terms of design and layout.
5. Buff the pots, no exceptions.
6. New ops bosses that aren't reskinned boss hunts.
7. Bot support for all maps and modes.
8. Don't rush characters and maps or half bake them. Quality>quantityI agree with this list (although if we get boss hunts back outside of Ops, they need to be shorter events, half an hour only to lose at times is too much time wasted) and am glad to see @PerniciousPea and @TheSprinter85 here as well!
As far as BfN's budget, I don't know how it compares to GW2, although I have heard that GW did not have a huge budget and it's success was a surprise to EA, but I'm certain that the original success of OW (which is kind of ironic now), influenced what would have otherwise been GW3 rather than BfN. If they did make massive changes midstream that would explain why Founders was in such rocky shape.
As @PerniciousPea points out, a big part of the appeal of PvZ is it's silly atmosphere. I do like games like F.E.A.R. there are actually super gory but it's difficult to match the fun of PvZ, and I miss having stuff to unlock and an active shooter to play. All 3 games are still playable, but as they're in maintenance mode with no new content, we're in a kind of limbo. I'm wondering if they're eyeing PvZ3 to see how it does with all the changes (which are mostly good from what I saw), before they address the shooters again.There's a few YouTubers that built their entire career, or at least large chunks of it, on the shooters, so they could help build up interest for GW3, and they also show EA/PopCap that there are literally millions of people that would play/watch a new game, so it makes sense financially for them to pursue a new game, and sooner rather than later.
