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Hello Mayors,
Today SimCity BuildIt was updated with a new feature - Club Wars.
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Hi j6niceL,
It’s great you guys share the same philosophy - I have competed athletically on multiple levels throughout my life and learned at an early age that sometimes folks are just better (trust me for years I’d analyze what I or the team did wrong). As far as the war games are concerned (without cheating) it is all about the cities economic strength and willingness to spend simelons or the mayor’s willingness to spend real money. I fit into the 1st part, my “beer” money goes to help pay off my children’s education. That’s why the war games (once a week) and CoM are both voluntary.
I hope you and your team enjoy great success and avoid cheaters and “bubble hiders”. Good luck!
Thanks. I do hope I don’t encounter cheaters and bubble hiders. But the chances are pretty low from the look of things. Just have to take it in my stride and do my part to report to EA. I also hope you and your team continue to have lots of fun with Simcity.
There needs to be a way to bring balance back to wars. Once you approach the top of the leaderboard, nobody fights. They get the slimmest of mathematical advantages and stay bubbled. In fact, those are the only wars our club has ever lost. They are long, boring events that reward nobody and take away from the spirit of club wars.
I propose that there always be at least one target up. If a club decides to stay bubbled, the city that has been bubbled longest automatically repairs and unshields. This will keep the fight going and shake things up for these teams that win by blocking active clubs constantly.
Thoughts?
Hi tttony1973,
I agree wholeheartedly with your frustration, I called it cowardly and got called pathetic for it...but I’m not sad, so I have learned now to call it cowardly and pathetic. I think it’s probably up to the team to make sure you have one available, preferably an inactive member (at least that’s what I’ve been told - twice; bubble hiders are kind of sensitive).
I have proposed an 18 hour window for folks who launched an attack to fix their city or it would be automatically fixed (no war items awarded) and the bubble would be removed. The logic behind 18 hours takes into consideration that you may be competing with someone from another part of the world and considers sleep and work/school time - it’s not ideal, but it’s fair for all parties. At least it’s better than what we currently have.
Good luck.
- I also favor a forced shield drop so that cities can’t hide for 35.99 hours.
My preference is 12-hour max. Would let you attack every opponent city at least 3x.
A city would not get any cheap repair items if it was forced to drop shield. If you want cheap repairs, then you have to repair manually. Hey Modern Thinker, great to see you. I agree if everyone is in the same time zone - but unfortunately they aren’t. That’s why I proposed 18 hours and you get to attack them twice but only for folks that launched an attack. It’s far from perfect, but it’s fair.
Quick question, have you ever seen or heard of anyone being attacked while in the bubble? It happened to us yesterday, I was in the bubble or dome and thought I was hit (but was not sure) but the 2nd and 3rd time there was no doubt. I said nothing, didn’t want to upset our guys...but privately shared it with one of our VP’s after the war and the same thing happened to him at about the same time. It was a tight game and I think we were slightly ahead (8 vs. 17 - yes we were outmanned again) when it happened. No complaints, no tears - they won by 2k, and in all honesty I do not think their collective team had any idea of what happened and I congratulate them on their victory - but they know 8 folks took them to the limit and yes my guys laughed and enjoyed the competition.
PV: I've heard of it (attacked while in the bubble), but not seen it first-hand.
- Totally agree with you! 18 hours sound realistic and very fair!
- 1. After reading all, i am wondering what exactly is a feeder city? Is it a second city one is using to storage items if the city storage is not large enough? Why is it cheating then? I think it's just a strategy and everybody can do that.... (my opinion).
2. Why is everybody complaining by losing against strong clubs? Our club lost a lot of wars before we understood how well organized teams are playing. And since we are well organized team now, I think it's fair that we mostly win. And it's our decision, if we want to stay awake all the night and fight - why would anybody blame us for that? Don't really understand all these complains, guys! They sound mostly very frustrated and not fair.
3. Totally agree with the idea to set a time limit on the dome (bubble). 18 hours should be realistic for everybody I think, also if you play against a team from the other part of the world.
In any way - Club wars is a great feature especially for those who play the game since the very beginning and the cities are build since long time. Thanks EA for That! - 1. A feeder city can be used as mass production of war parts. A level 18 city will have a way easier time to procure the parts since many items, especially expensive ones, such as microwave, popcorn, yoghurt, tvs, etc, are not unlocked for them yet. This is a form of gaining unfair advantage.
And a feeder city in the same club can be used to attack opponents. With feeder cities, you don’t even need to assemble a strong team and coordinate with each other to win wars. A group of 3-4 friends having 4 cities each is good enough. While there is nothing wrong with this, this is a valid concern.
2. Did I complain about people staying up all night to win wars? Think not. I just found that it was strange someone could attack non-stop through the night. But I was prepared to lose to that team, and I even told my teammate it was an eye opener. If they could actually compromise their life and health for this, they deserve the win. So talking about their activities is called a complain?
I can also let others know of the existence of such teams so they are more well-prepared to fight this kind of teams.
3. The shield issue is still an issue, but we learnt to cope with that. Cheaters are always around, we just treat it as the chance to get personal chests to unlock better disasters. Hi lelik19900,
Even though it may be considered a smart strategy, EA has ruled that feeder cities are not legal. I pressed the issue because my guys were prepared to level the playing field so to speak and I wanted to make sure we stayed within the rules. Personally it doesn’t matter to me (other than the ruling) - I can barely maintain one city.
- @J6niceL it was not personal, I just read the whole topic and wonder why so many people complain if they lose. Of course it's disuponting if one gave everything, but one can learn and do it better next time.
I think we are not high enough (still top 1000) to play against cheater clubs, so don't have any experience with that and can't report on that. But I'll keep an eye on that and will report here.
@PinnacleValley : we don't accept player below level 35 in our club, so I imagine nobody is a feeder then 🙂 - Ah, 3 more things 🙂
1. it's really not that difficult to get war items, if you have active players in the club. If everybody does his best, it's easy. In general, if you have 20 active members, you'll basically get all you need within couple of minutes.
2. There is a way to make it easy: ask every club member to produce two items all the time and put it in the store (no advertisement). For example player A produces all the time popcorn and tables, player B produces all the time ladder and flour bags and so on. So whenever needed, everybody can buy these items in their stores.
3. It's nothing new: the game logic is "you don't get what you really need". So try this: ask your club members to give you 20 hydrants and give them f.e. megaphones. So you'll get all the time hydrants during the war and very rar the megaphones. (I really hope it's not illegal what I am writing). 😱 Hi lelik19900,
That’s great to hear, I didn’t think you had any as it appeared you were simply looking at it as a strategy. Just a quick note the city level is not necessarily a good measure of time or experience as leveling up is not difficult to do if that’s a person’s goal. You’ve been fortunate not to experience cheating because you’re well within the level and I hope you and your team never do.
J6nicel and I have unfortunately seen it first hand and quite frankly in our case, I didn’t report it because I thought it was a rogue member and it happened so fast I had no credible evidence - why deny their club members the celebration they earned, we celebrated our effort as we were totally outmanned and kept it within 2k in spite of the cheats. At the end of the day it’s not about winning or losing (trust me I want to win and will fight you to the bitter end) but it’s about teamwork, effort, laughter, and fellowship...when somebody cheats they deny themselves the real joy. Over the years I’ve had my share of great victories and bitter defeats, but what you remember are not the trophies and the awards but the people you competed with, the effort you expended and the unshakable knowledge that you were a good steward of the game.
As a Club President in this game you’re are responsible to provide a safe and encouraging environment for your members and the blantant cheating by others does not mesh well with that goal. So if there is credible evidence please report the transgressions so teams that play within the rules can compete with each other and figuratively shake each other’s hands and thank them for bringing out your best effort.
- totally agree with you! We were in a very bad club before, unfriendly president, very egoistic and everybody was complaining about everything. That's why we (8 players) decided to leave the club and opened our own. And now it's friendly, funny, like a patchwork family. We don't force anybody to do anything. It's all about team work .
Our club is now closed any way, but until we became a team of 20, we were looking at the Saison points and CoM level as well, before accepting someone. If somebody has expirience 65 and CoM level 3 it means that he/she is not really playing. And of course you get the feeling after accepting if she/he will fit in the team.
My ex vice-president is now in a top-10 club. He said, they even have a second club, where they test people before accepting them in their original club! If someone can't play the war, he/she is leaving the club for 48 hours, so they don't negative points. This is crazy! But maybe this is the only way to reach top-10. But for me this is not fun any more 🙂 - Pinnacle,
What had happened with the cheater? Just curious. So I can keep an eye out for such cases. It’s always good to know.
The cheater team I had encountered ... their top 8 attackers utilized magnet attacks exclusively. For the first 15 hrs, they used at least more than 200 hydrants. I had bad feelings about them right from the start when I saw almost all had magnet as favourite attack. After holding the fort for hours, I gave up and just let them bombed the bejeezus out of me to collect war stuff for next war. The good part is after that, they really hit me the moment I’m out of shield every time (they refused to attack me beforehand to perhaps starved me of war items). Guess they hated me for giving them so much troubles in the beginning lol Gained a new perspective on things, and that is to respect all legit teams, even bubble hiders—not that I like them, of course.
lelik,
Your idea on getting stuff for war deliveries sounds good, and actually my club’s prez is providing certain stuff for that. But ultimately, I still prefer club members to free play (except for general strategy such as staying in shields if needed—for less than 18 hrs, and maximizing points to prevent opponents from bubbling up to win). This is supposed to be fun, and wars are still a subset of Simcity. I feel our main goal is to create beautiful cities of our own. So I don’t want to force members to do things for wars that compromise their efforts to work in their cities. But we do expect members to be active in either war or CoM to help the team to get all the goodies.
As of now, my team is getting whacked left and right by opponent. It’s kind of expected since we chose the wrong time to start war, and our strongest attackers are completely depleted of war stuff due to an amazingly good and intense fight we had beforehand (145k vs 142k). So it’s collecting war stuff and personal chests time. A loss is not really a loss if we still get something out of it. Bonjour mon ami, (that would be French for hello my friend - what really would be funny is if j6nicel does not speak French)
We did not report the team as we had no credible evidence. I absolutely agree with you, this is a city building game first and foremost and I’m afraid to many new folks are so caught up in CoM and war games they miss the true greatness of the game EA purchased.
The suggestion is great, our folks prepare what they think they’ll need and some extra for their neighbors - unfortunately the demand changes every battle so forecasting is a challenge.
- @J6niceL
Of course, it's about fun and nobody is forced to do anything. Maybe we are just a little bit lucky having mayors in the club, who have fun doing something for the club. But nobody is forced to do something, and if somebody can't participate in the war or in CoM for a week, it's enought just to let us know. By the way i am not the president, i am just the Vice President and responsible for war strategy 🙂)
Regarding using magnets: for me personally it's not cheating. I didn't use magnets for last 5 wars, was just using Filmmonster for overkilling, so in the meantime I got 48 hydrants. And I don't agree if somebody would blame for having that much. It's my strategy to save them if I see, that the enemy Club is much weaker than we. Maybe your enemy team had the same strategy and they just saved the hydrants?
But in any way, as we just opened the club 3 weeks ago, we still play against very weak clubs, so maybe as soon as we reach 1900 we'll be fighting against cheater clubs.
What would be a good suggestion (already wrote it to EA, but never got any answer): the president of the club should be able to set some club requirements. For example, only level 30+ or population 500000. Or even better: language. We write it in the club description, but I think nobody reads it. - Pinnacle,
I had learnt French before. But it’s a “you don’t use it, you lose it” kind of thing for me lol So now, I only know greetings and counting from one to six.
Lelik,
Using magnets is perfectly okay. I utilize them often, proving to be a nuisance to my opponents. The thing is eight of them have magnet as favourite attack in their stats. Only the other two used a mix of everything. This means they use it very often. So I doubt they accumulate that many hydrants from previous wars to use them on us if they had been using it. Also, this team is in and out of top 100 clubs, so I don’t think they will be matched up against weak opponents to have the chance to save up on the hydrants.
For the record, one of them used up 30 hydrants during the first 15 hours (I did my investigations before accusing them of cheating) and continue to unleash magnets throughout the remaining duration of war. Is it possible to get that many hydrants within 15 hours? If he practises saving up hydrants as you had said, then he wouldn’t be still using them after they had the lead of 50k. But the thing is he and his co of magnet lovers still continue to use magnets till end of war. And since almost all of them use magnets, it is not possible for them to give all the hydrants to any one particular member, allowing him to do that many magnet attacks.
The numbers simply don’t add up. We just played a top 25 team that had 25 players each use magnets and only magnets for the whole war. The 25 of them must have fired magnets 3x each 10x each. So how many is that? 750 magnets? So they had 1500 hydrants.
No, that is not something they reasonably achieve during 12 hour prep and during the 36 hours of attacking.
They likely:
1) farm feeder cities
2) join other clubs during the 12 hour gap between battles and steal all their hydrants and then leave
3) cheat in any variety of ways
Perhaps they do all 3. Thanks for the wild west, EA. Why anyone would pay for cards to play a game that is so easy to cheat at, is beyond me.
- Ok... when I read all this, I am happy to play in top 1000.... 😏
Yes, it's often better to enjoy casual play. Trying to be top in the world is more like a full time job. And requires either ridiculous spending of real money, or cheating.
I forgot to mention setting of alarms. Make sure you set alarms so that you fire your energy every 3h.
Every 3h not sufficient actually, set alarms for at least 2h 45m so you have some time to repair your cities first. Can't let a single energy go capped, after all.
To recap: 1) spend; 2) have feeder cities; 3) steal from others; 4) cheat; and 5) set alarms.
There, now you're ready to be a top 50 club.
: )
- Been in top 100 before in my old club—that was when club wars first started, so everyone hadn’t gotten around to form clubs to fight wars—and got nothing out of it, saved for bragging rights and a screenshot to commemorate it.
If I need to do those to get in the top, I rather not. Which why when we lost to the team with members who don’t sleep, I just told my team that we did very well and it was okay to lose since there was no way we could win a team like that. After fighting more battles, I do feel that we can cope with losing to others better. Helps that my club’s prez remains cool about situations not in our favour and just goes, “Okay, let’s just focus on getting the chests to upgrade our attacks.”
Still, if I encountered cheaters, I see it as public duty to report them to EA. - @ModernThinker
It really doesn't sound like fun at all 😁 When I was in my first club, we lost many wars playing agains people who never ever sleep. Even on Christmas Eve there were all active!! At this moment I personally thought, we were playing against computer. (Didn't know about crazy teams and cheaters). Tried once to stay awake all night to fight - was not possible, as I was alone and the whole enemy club was active - so no chance. Will never do it again 🙂
By the way couple of those clubs are now in top 100, as I can see. 
Hi. We have just finished playing “God’s of war” and lost by 227,000 points to 96,000. All of our cities are much bigger than theirs and 23 of our mayors took part. They used 300 magnet attacked in the first 15 hours, that’s 600 hydrants. I have been two wars without seeing a hydrant recently, and most I have had is about 17 ready for a war. My city is 3.6million, most of theirs was under 300k population. In the end I was hit by 40 magnet attacks, 80hydrants needed, they all used this attack to get you down to 1 in just 6 energy. It can only be a cheat, and nothing else.
Totally Agree With This Post - we are being killed by Hackers in Club Wars. Their favorite weapon is Level 10 Magnetism (that's 4,290 points per 12 energy units). Their second favorite weapon is Level 10 Movie Monster. We have also encountered clubs with cities where every type of disaster they use is at Level 10. There's no way that the disaster cards for any Level 10 disaster, let alone for multiple disasters, could have been fairly acquired in the time since these (second generation especially) disasters were released - even by buying them from weekly Purple Treasure Chests. There are two changes that EA could make to help out non-hackers in Club Wars ...
⚽ allow us to activate our own shields ourselves (even if we still have energy) this would allow us to conduct "Hit-And-Run" style attacks and hide from hackers with Level 10 disasters
🏈 allow us to attach our own cities (so-called "Friendly-Fire" attacks - for no points of course) - so we can remove non-contributing cities - which only give opposing hackers free points
- Hi star-trek-Fans
Of course it's unfair and frustrating that EA allow us fighting against cheater clubs. And I am so sorry you all guys expirience that. It's obvious that they have found a way to hack the disaster cards - i think it's technically impossible to have level 10 already, since the war has been released in October. I bought many disaster packs and still my maximum is level 5! So one has to spend thousands of $ (€) to upgrade to level 10 I guess.
Both your proposals would not work I am afraid:
1. If we would be able to activate our own shields - every team would use this opportunity as soon as it has more points than their opponent - so they would win automatically.
2. Inactive players: you have to ask your club members whether they want to participate in the war before the war starts. If they don't, you can ask them to leave the club for 48 hours and come back after the war is over. We never practiced that (we are still in top 1000) but I know a top100 Club which is doing that to avoid negative points.
Maybe a good solution would be to lose 10 wars in a row (minus ~300 points) and play against normal teams in top 1000?
Good luck and have a good day.
