WAR CHEATS! HELP
Hi guys! This situation are really critical now! A lot of clubs are unhappy because of cheats in war. For example our club had previous war. And our enemy was cheats. 1. They made more energy i...
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I see some things different, but you seems to be person who is interested in a good discussion. I'll try to explain my point of view. Please keep in mind, English is not my mother language.
I have build up my city in the last 4 years. I have a fully upgraded capital city on level 96 with a population of 6.1 million. I have spend less than 10$ real cash in these 4 years. I have over 21 Million Simoleons by now. I have unlocked 4 regions only for getting the extra 20 storage room in each region. I have no intension to build up the regions any further. With this data it is nearly impossible to play CoM successfully, so I'm focused on playing the club wars.
Assuming I decide to start over with a new city (I have no intention to do it by now) I would not do the same mistakes again, I have done in my first city. Leveling up my new city too fast would be such a mistake. I would be focused in upgrading the city storage of my new city and nothing else. I would use my big city to bring up my new city very fast, with items, transfering simoleons and so on... In other words, not the new city would be the feeder city, but the big city would. When I reach a stage (easier with the help of my big city) where I have a small city with a big city storage, I would level up only as far, that I can do the CoM and the club wars.
Everything is easier with a smaller low level city, especially with the CoM. I have a teammate in my club who did it this way and now he is only playing with his new city, very successful in CoM and in war.
And now, assuming I'm getting insane and decide to spend a lot of money for such useless things like war cards, what do you think, wich city I would choose? Always the new one.
As I stated before I have unlocked 4 regions. By now I have only a population of 600 000 in my regions. First, I have build up my regions to a population of these 600 000, then I moved some special buildings from my capital city to my regions. That has given me a big population boost. After I have reached the limit needed for the 4th region I have unlocked it. Then I have moved my special building back to my capital city. Am I a cheater, now?
You were shocked to know the extent players will go to level up their disasters. You would be even more shocked if you would get the knowledge what players also do to get advantage in war and in CoM, without using any hacker tools and having the risk of getting banned. That's just the tip of the iceberg. The "strategy" is not the problem of this game.
Hi all!
I'd like to share my 2 cents in this interesting discussion.
My position is in the middle: something superpraesi said is correct, as some other things by J6niceL and PinnacleValley are correct too.
What I can't share, superpraesi, is refusing the fact that there's a lot of cheaters in this game.
As I told in some previous post, I have an experience as a game operator in an other strategy game. I'm not repeating to be arrogant, like a God of RTS games, 'cause I think I'm not a God. I simply am a player who like to play analizing the game trying to find the better and fair ways to be successful. This passat experience as a g.o. just opened my eyes on how different can be game providers point of view from player point of view.
Online games could have 2 kind of problems: exploits by unfair players problems and gameplay problems. The first ones are a main issue for a provider, as an exploit means a direct loosing of money: players uses exploits to bypass things that would require real cash to be unlocked (or a lot of time playing). Gameplay problems are somehow important too: if a gameplay is not well calibrated, players become bored in the long time, until they leave the game that would mean loosing money too, but a provider has lot of time to resolve it, so that these problems are somehow secondary compared to the exploits problem.
About wars, 3 problems seems to exist: duplicating items problem, improving cards problem and bubble problem.
The bubble problem is a gameplay one. Noisy, boring, but absolutely legit. You can like it or dislike it, but at the end it is a strategy. There has been lot of purposes for how to improve and change this gameplay issue (IMO the best one would be to cut some war period, as told on another J6niceL thread). Players using this strategy are not violating any term of the EULA (user agreement), and for this reason we can't technically call them unfair players (we could discuss about the ethic question and we already did lot of times, so let's not repeat it now and let's stay on the technical question). We can just hope EA will someday improve it, otherwise we have to accept it or leave the game.
Duplicating items and improving cards are a different question, as it seems both are kind of exploits, forbidden by EULA (see 6.16), but it's not so simple to prove it.
The duplicating items question is very complicated. Technically, in this procedure you only take advantage of a problem of synchronization. Is it enough to consider it an exploit? Ethically, of course is it. But to ban a player a provider gotta demonstrate that player cheated, otherwise that player could open a lawsuit and even worse win it, and that's a thing really hated by providers. The situation shows that maybe it's very difficult: russian clubs are using this procedure from longtime ago, and only few players seems to have been punished. The worrying thing is that now lot of clubs from the rest of the world have learned and uses this procedure too, that's very frustrating☹️
To improve a card you can buy it from the war store. If you change club, entering a new one from a different arena, the war store refreshes, offering new cards to buy. Until here it seems a questionable but legit thing, but there's some limits. Let's take the Movie Monster as example. Let's say you got it at lvl10, and you want to improve it to lvl15. 1600 cards needed. It's a legendary attack, so war store offers a 5 cards pack. Assuming that changing arena you'll find the same cards offered, you'll have to change club for 320 times!!!! -good luck!-
Second and more important limit: the first card offered costs 120 simcash, and the price increases after every purchase (but I don't know each price, as I just bought some common cards, never legendary ones), so to buy 1600 cards you need more than 192000 simcash. Where do you find all that simcash? If you always win megalopolis COM, win all wars and get simcash at every ads (utopia), you'll get less than 3000 simcash weekly, and with 3000 simcash you'll need 192000/3000=64 weeks!!! Will you buy simcash? that's about 2500€ (or 2800USD); in this case EA and every one who plays for free -like me- must be thankful, as that's the way to give long life to the game.
Oh, you'll need a lot of golden keys too, but let's ignore this matter.
Even if questionable, all this procedure doesn't seems to violate any terms of EULA. But if you don't buy simcash this is not a fast procedure for sure, is it? So the only other way to accelerate it is to somehow get lot of simcash for free with some kind of exploit, and that's violating EULA terms for sure.
What more to say? Long life to fair players!
I'd like to share my 2 cents in this interesting discussion.
My position is in the middle: something superpraesi said is correct, as some other things by J6niceL and PinnacleValley are correct too.
What I can't share, superpraesi, is refusing the fact that there's a lot of cheaters in this game.
As I told in some previous post, I have an experience as a game operator in an other strategy game. I'm not repeating to be arrogant, like a God of RTS games, 'cause I think I'm not a God. I simply am a player who like to play analizing the game trying to find the better and fair ways to be successful. This passat experience as a g.o. just opened my eyes on how different can be game providers point of view from player point of view.
Online games could have 2 kind of problems: exploits by unfair players problems and gameplay problems. The first ones are a main issue for a provider, as an exploit means a direct loosing of money: players uses exploits to bypass things that would require real cash to be unlocked (or a lot of time playing). Gameplay problems are somehow important too: if a gameplay is not well calibrated, players become bored in the long time, until they leave the game that would mean loosing money too, but a provider has lot of time to resolve it, so that these problems are somehow secondary compared to the exploits problem.
About wars, 3 problems seems to exist: duplicating items problem, improving cards problem and bubble problem.
The bubble problem is a gameplay one. Noisy, boring, but absolutely legit. You can like it or dislike it, but at the end it is a strategy. There has been lot of purposes for how to improve and change this gameplay issue (IMO the best one would be to cut some war period, as told on another J6niceL thread). Players using this strategy are not violating any term of the EULA (user agreement), and for this reason we can't technically call them unfair players (we could discuss about the ethic question and we already did lot of times, so let's not repeat it now and let's stay on the technical question). We can just hope EA will someday improve it, otherwise we have to accept it or leave the game.
Duplicating items and improving cards are a different question, as it seems both are kind of exploits, forbidden by EULA (see 6.16), but it's not so simple to prove it.
The duplicating items question is very complicated. Technically, in this procedure you only take advantage of a problem of synchronization. Is it enough to consider it an exploit? Ethically, of course is it. But to ban a player a provider gotta demonstrate that player cheated, otherwise that player could open a lawsuit and even worse win it, and that's a thing really hated by providers. The situation shows that maybe it's very difficult: russian clubs are using this procedure from longtime ago, and only few players seems to have been punished. The worrying thing is that now lot of clubs from the rest of the world have learned and uses this procedure too, that's very frustrating☹️
To improve a card you can buy it from the war store. If you change club, entering a new one from a different arena, the war store refreshes, offering new cards to buy. Until here it seems a questionable but legit thing, but there's some limits. Let's take the Movie Monster as example. Let's say you got it at lvl10, and you want to improve it to lvl15. 1600 cards needed. It's a legendary attack, so war store offers a 5 cards pack. Assuming that changing arena you'll find the same cards offered, you'll have to change club for 320 times!!!! -good luck!-
Second and more important limit: the first card offered costs 120 simcash, and the price increases after every purchase (but I don't know each price, as I just bought some common cards, never legendary ones), so to buy 1600 cards you need more than 192000 simcash. Where do you find all that simcash? If you always win megalopolis COM, win all wars and get simcash at every ads (utopia), you'll get less than 3000 simcash weekly, and with 3000 simcash you'll need 192000/3000=64 weeks!!! Will you buy simcash? that's about 2500€ (or 2800USD); in this case EA and every one who plays for free -like me- must be thankful, as that's the way to give long life to the game.
Oh, you'll need a lot of golden keys too, but let's ignore this matter.
Even if questionable, all this procedure doesn't seems to violate any terms of EULA. But if you don't buy simcash this is not a fast procedure for sure, is it? So the only other way to accelerate it is to somehow get lot of simcash for free with some kind of exploit, and that's violating EULA terms for sure.
What more to say? Long life to fair players!
