HvV is been so broken on XBOX for the last few weeks. One team totally dominates a match while the other can barely make a kill. I have experienced this being on both the winning and losing sides many times. Basically every game now. For example each player has 20+ kills on one side while the other has 0 or 1. Many times now people just quit in the middle of the match because It's totally ridiculous. Seems to be more of a bug rather than a matching issue. It's not like one side is all high level players vs all newbies. It's really no fun anymore being on either side. It's either way too easy or impossible. I hope this is resolved soon. Thanks

@VetteC5RXHey, can you give me the link to that topic you mentioned at the bottom?About 2., I know it's really annoying when everyone is using exploits. I realized it back some few months ago when suddenly so many in HvH used the jump exploit (especially as Grievous) which really wasn't a thing in the HvH playerbase just like one week before I noticed this.On the other hand, I guess it's just fair that the knowledge about all this is shared on youtube and not just a privilege of few tryhards who then become unstoppable.The problem is, once someone spreads the information on youtube, they'll immediately have the attention of all tryhards who don't care the slightest how unfair this might be to unaware people, which creates this imbalance in the first place.Then videos like these become more famous and other players who want to know how exactly the pros are doing this miraculous stuff will follow up. Fair.But yes, this entire lightsaber mechanic that requires exploits to even create any kind of fun combat dynamic other than smashing button against someone's block all the time was really poor in the first place. On the other hand, the servers are so bad that any more in-depth mechanics would've been either completely RNG or unfair for one side if someone has just the better connection.Even as it is right now, the tides of lightsaber combat are turned way too easily by lag or connection difference levels.

@VetteC5RXThanks!Yeah I remember that, although I had uninstalled the game quickly back then again.I guess they removed it because attacking was free even after stamina was depleted so it was a spam fest overall too.I know from threads that for a time they also had the counter-mechanic from BF1 included into the game for a while, which then again just made everyone block and being afraid to attack.The problem is even if we include a system of auto-depleting block stamina again, it would mean big advantages for certain characters again as in this game the ability effects are not different than if used on soldiers and you only need to wait out like in BF1 until your opponent can't block anymore.In BF1 this was solved in a way that e.g. Luke got only briefly stunned when affected by Vader's choke and not held into the air all the time. Same for Lando's shock mine.Speaking about shocked, that was exactly how I felt back when I found out that e.g. Lando using shock on you means exactly just the same as for soldiers, being helpless and dieing in 2 seconds from full HP if enough firepower is used against you. Those were the times...

@bongernyc This has been a LONG standing issue but IMO for a number of reasons:1. yes, balancing is a problem but that’s partly due to how players use characters. You may see a Level 49 Chewbacca but they have a Obi Wan that’s level 400, indicating a degree of experience you can’t see.2. Exploits. I will NOT call this cheating because it isn’t, however, nearly all of your newer YouTube videos on how to play this game advertise how to take advantage of poorly designed game mechanics. Now even new players to the game are playing with a strats that see them exploiting loopholes in broken characters.3. IMBALANCE: This is my number one pet peeve with this game. The Devs seemingly lost their minds when structuring the heroes & villains. In a proper game every characters attributes and abilities would be balanced in a way so that any two characters could combat each other with equal likelihood of victory; the determining factor being the player and their accurate use. That is NOT how this game has evolved. Many characters are so broken and imbalanced, not just within themselves, but versus other characters that it makes the gameplay haphazard and feel more like RNG. Combine that with aspects like impact lag & input stacking and you’ve got yourself a nice heaping pile of garbage-sundae. The matchmaking, IMO, is probably the least impactive element here. I will also mention, on a side note, that I, personally; believe that there is a significant issue with player level and attribute assignment among the heroes, villains, & classes.I did some game-testing research on this game post TROS update and found significant differences in how the characters behaved than before the update. In my play testing (examples of which were documented on this forum) I was seeing examples of characters at a lower level exhibiting attributes differently than those same characters of higher levels. This led me to question exactly how far reaching the tiered progression system worked. Rather than being given any answer a “vague” deflection was given by one of the community managers and the thread locked. A number of people who had read my write up prior to the thread getting locked had seen the same things and for us it wasn’t a stretch to think that this was a way for the Devs to apply a buff to newer players to prevent them from being steam rolled by veterans (as TROS movie release saw a surge of new players). I cannot prove that since I would need to decompile the game code to do so as as such I will not say that is a for sure element of the game and I have seen some changes to character behavior from what it was so who knows. however, the 3 items I listed above are real problems with the game and will always be, unfortunately.

@TRlALON I’ll see if I can search for it and link it here. It was a while ago but shouldn’t have been deleted. Block spamming was addressed on launch. The logic the BF1 also has was present in BF2 in the beginning. You could only hold block for so long. Once a player started to block the block stam gauge started to decrease so if a player just sat on block the stam would run out and leave them vulnerable.This was a FAR better mechanic that shouldn’t have been changed. The game now is literally just a combo of exploit and spam fest.

@TRlALON Here’s the link to the thread I had posted https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Player-Level-Handicap-Needs-to-be-Removed/td-p/8661543

Heroes Versus Villains balance broken

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VetteC5RX
5 years ago
@TRlALON You can see where they tried to put battlefield type logic into battlefront on the large multiplayer game modes but they fell short. Unlike battlefield where players have a singular player level and then various weapon levels / upgrades you can more easily match make based on character level but in Battlefront the main character level caps at 50 and from there it just gets messy with characters and classes. It’s almost impossible to identify skill matching in this way; especially when you drop so many double & triple XP periods.
they lost the ability to really match make when they implemented the prestige system and the tiered progression system.

Shortly before they put those into the game the newer players who got into the game due to the new trilogy movies complained on the other BF2 forums that they were being beat by experienced players. IMO those systems were put into the game to try and accommodate newer players but it just turned out to be really poor gameplay; especially for veterans.

By theory they could ignore match making because stats would evolve with character level. I honestly believe due to play testing that’s what they did here. In order to offset having to genuinely matchmake players they installed a broad tiered progression, beyond what was listed in the patch notes. It looks like it was the only way they knew how to address the matchmaking issues after all the other nonsense they had added to the game. There was a better way but the developers just didn’t seem to know any other way given the state of the game at the time.
PsyEd2k4
5 years ago
@bongernyc IMHO I don't think it's exclusive to any platform(I have this game on all 3) and I personally don't think there's any actual algorithm behind this "match making" for any modes for this game, it's more like a basic shuffling of players. Last week had a GA sessions where like 95% of my team was below lvl 30 where the other team had over 80% being lvl 500 and party pleb infestation....moreover they emote/t-bag after a 5 vs 1....but I never let that get to me but many on my team left and even worse at latter phases. So HvV should be the same but to me it's far less rage inducing since I only lose it when my own team leaves....I don't mind try hards and sweats....at least they are giving me their best and a good practice of 1v4.
But then again...every now and then....something like this happens...which happened today...
So such kinda resets the rage...and the reason I like HvV over any other modes 🤔

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