Tenacity discussion

"Durrun;581478" wrote:
My question is does this fact favor resist or debuff? Are strong debuffers going to become more prevalent with people not wasting slots on tenacity? Or does the 15% resist still stop Tarkin seeing the light of day?

i guess that all depends on how tenacity/potency is calculated. From what i can see tenacity is just very very weak. You need tons of tenacity to actually have a higher chance to resist than the base 15%. That is assuming players properly mod potency, wich looks like people are doing.
i'm still holding off on a final verdict, because i am not sure it actually works in the way i think it works. I hope a dev can shine some light on this issue.

"Martianski;581397" wrote:

"scuba;581348" wrote:


Potency and Tenacity is not really "wasted" the higher the number the better chance to apply or resist.

Yeah, but we need the exact formula of scaling tenacity vs potency. We need to know is it worth to go after tenacity sets for example. Because if huge tenacity numbers increase only abit chances for resist, slots can be used for better mods.

I agree we should have that information, I don't see it being shared though.

Can always count on you to do the hard math @StormTro0p3R_H thanks

Can we get a answer from the source about it tenacity vs potency? @CG_Kozispoon

I feel like this would help the player base make more informed decisions on what to do.

I questioned this last week. https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/57620/36-tenacity-70-potency#latest

In my experience I use Daka, with 70% potency. Yes, Daka only has a 60% chance of applying stun, and when she does, you better believe I pay attention to when she gets resisted.

According to the calculations in this thread and by what @CG_Kozispoon wrote, you would need 86% tenacity in order for Daka's potency to be fully nullified. Yet multiple times against toons with 30-35% tenacity my Daka gets resisted at least 50% of the time. Yes, that lowers potency to 40%, but POTENCY being 40% should not mean it gets resisted that much, otherwise the lower potency someone has they would NEVER get a debuff off. (Characters start at 0 potency anyway.)

Did a GW node with only 5s on team, got stunned by RG one time in the encounter, left game and redid same node same conditions with +18% tenacity on a mod.. Got stunned by everything couldn't retreat and lost him for the rest of my attempts.... Great

"SirDave314159;581702" wrote:
I think the OP's point is more that any tenacity at all is wasted *unless* you have a boatload of it. You need potency +16% to even see a tiny (1%) benefit, so you will get more bang for your mod slot using pretty much anything else. Looking at your math, I can't disagree with that assessment.

I do agree if you are going to add tenacity you need to add a lot, or it is a waste.

Check out the post linked above @SNAKEMAN , though I think the forums formatting of my original response may of mislead folks into taking what I said a wee bit off the deep end.

Defender has 50 tenacity. You have 5 potency = Defender has 45% chance to resist.
You have 10 potency, defender has 40% chance to resist etc.

until you get to 35 potency, when the defender has a 15% chance to resist any more potency past that is useless against THAT target, because they can't have a lower resist chance than 15%
So if you have 50% potency, they still have a 15% chance to resist. Or if you have 100% potency, or 100000% (Mind you, this has NOTHING to do with the trigger chance on effects, either)

So now that we have that cleared up...whats the tenacity of the rancor on heroic? Im guessing between 80-90%, which would mean potency greater than 75% is useless.

"CG_Kozispoon;581984" wrote:
Check out the post linked above @SNAKEMAN , though I think the forums formatting of my original response may of mislead folks into taking what I said a wee bit off the deep end.

Defender has 50 tenacity. You have 5 potency = Defender has 45% chance to resist.
You have 10 potency, defender has 40% chance to resist etc.

until you get to 35 potency, when the defender has a 15% chance to resist any more potency past that is useless against THAT target, because they can't have a lower resist chance than 15%
So if you have 50% potency, they still have a 15% chance to resist. Or if you have 100% potency, or 100000% (Mind you, this has NOTHING to do with the trigger chance on effects, either)

Thank you for clarifying! My Sun Fac is at 85% tenacity and most old bens on my server are 40 to 50% potency so I'm getting a 35% chance to resist verse the standard 15% for my other weak tenacity guys sitting at 40% tenacity roughly. Good to know!