So I have a Zeta on Thrawns unique and it seems to have an issue dealing with toons who also have counter attack. So if Biggs attacks Thrawn he will counter attack 100% of the time. Problem is Biggs hits you right back. A counter on a counter. It is horrible. I've been hit with Biggs assist special, Thrawn counters and gets smoked by Biggs again. It destroyed my Thrawn. Ive seen it happen multiple times now. Any one else experience this?

It's not a counter Biggs gains tm when hit by Empire. Look at his unique

Biggs gains 100% TM when he is hit by a critical hit or by an Empire character. Thrawn is Empire so Biggs will gain 100% TM from being hit by Thrawn's counter attacks no matter what. It's not a counter attack, Biggs is just taking his turn and hitting Thrawn. No bug.

Well. That's ridiculous. Lol. I thought a counter attack didn't function as a turn. Obviously it does, but that seems out of line. So ideally Biggs will wreck any Empire toon that has a counter. Ouch

"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148319" wrote:Well. That's ridiculous. Lol. I thought a counter attack didn't function as a turn. Obviously it does, but that seems out of line. So ideally Biggs will wreck any Empire toon that has a counter. Ouch That's why you fracture Biggs :)

"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148319" wrote:Well. That's ridiculous. Lol. I thought a counter attack didn't function as a turn. Obviously it does, but that seems out of line. So ideally Biggs will wreck any Empire toon that has a counter. Ouch It's not functioning as a turn, but it is functioning as "Damage." Biggs doesn't gain 100% TM when an Empire character uses a turn to hit them, Biggs gains 100% TM when he takes damage from Empire characters. But yes Biggs will wreck Empire characters that counter attack. Unless he dodges or is stunned or shocked or dazed.

Thrawn counter attack shenanigans

VertigoBeast
8 years ago
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148343" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148336" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148329" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148313" wrote:
Biggs gains 100% TM when he is hit by a critical hit or by an Empire character. Thrawn is Empire so Biggs will gain 100% TM from being hit by Thrawn's counter attacks no matter what. It's not a counter attack, Biggs is just taking his turn and hitting Thrawn. No bug.

So if that's truly the case why didn't my Thrawn hit him back immediately with his counter? If it was a new turn generated by TM Thrawn should have counter attacked.

Pretty sure you said Thrawn already did hit him with the counter attack...? Let's get this straight:

Biggs hit's Thrawn with assist Special
Thrawn Counter attacks Biggs
Biggs gains 100% TM from being hit by Empire character
Biggs takes another turn and hits Thrawn again
Thrawn is dead? If not, Thrawn should counter attack that second hit.
If thrawn didn't counter that second hit... Was Thrawn Dazed/Stunned?

It didn't kill him. He was full health and protection. He was knocking on deaths door, but should have countered. It was a Wedge lead, Biggs, R2, Fulcrum Ashoka and GK. None of those guys dish out daze or anything that would interfere with counters. Biggs wasn't stealthed.

So you're saying that Biggs used his assist attack on Thrawn, then Thrawn counter attacked Biggs. Biggs gained 100% TM, hit Thrawn AGAIN and then Thrawn didn't counter attack the second attack?
DropItLikeItHot
8 years ago
"Vertigo;c-1148349" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148343" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148336" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148329" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148313" wrote:
Biggs gains 100% TM when he is hit by a critical hit or by an Empire character. Thrawn is Empire so Biggs will gain 100% TM from being hit by Thrawn's counter attacks no matter what. It's not a counter attack, Biggs is just taking his turn and hitting Thrawn. No bug.

So if that's truly the case why didn't my Thrawn hit him back immediately with his counter? If it was a new turn generated by TM Thrawn should have counter attacked.

Pretty sure you said Thrawn already did hit him with the counter attack...? Let's get this straight:

Biggs hit's Thrawn with assist Special
Thrawn Counter attacks Biggs
Biggs gains 100% TM from being hit by Empire character
Biggs takes another turn and hits Thrawn again
Thrawn is dead? If not, Thrawn should counter attack that second hit.
If thrawn didn't counter that second hit... Was Thrawn Dazed/Stunned?

It didn't kill him. He was full health and protection. He was knocking on deaths door, but should have countered. It was a Wedge lead, Biggs, R2, Fulcrum Ashoka and GK. None of those guys dish out daze or anything that would interfere with counters. Biggs wasn't stealthed.

So you're saying that Biggs used his assist attack on Thrawn, then Thrawn counter attacked Biggs. Biggs gained 100% TM, hit Thrawn AGAIN and then Thrawn didn't counter attack the second attack?

Yes. He didn't counter the second attack from Biggs. Now I'll try again a few different ways, but it seems like Biggs is the Thrawn killer if that's the case. You could theoretically tunnel damage down on Thrawn until he's dead or Biggs is stunned. Pretty darn close to the dreaded damage loop.
riffinator24
New Spectator
8 years ago
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148353" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148349" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148343" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148336" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148329" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148313" wrote:
Biggs gains 100% TM when he is hit by a critical hit or by an Empire character. Thrawn is Empire so Biggs will gain 100% TM from being hit by Thrawn's counter attacks no matter what. It's not a counter attack, Biggs is just taking his turn and hitting Thrawn. No bug.

So if that's truly the case why didn't my Thrawn hit him back immediately with his counter? If it was a new turn generated by TM Thrawn should have counter attacked.

Pretty sure you said Thrawn already did hit him with the counter attack...? Let's get this straight:

Biggs hit's Thrawn with assist Special
Thrawn Counter attacks Biggs
Biggs gains 100% TM from being hit by Empire character
Biggs takes another turn and hits Thrawn again
Thrawn is dead? If not, Thrawn should counter attack that second hit.
If thrawn didn't counter that second hit... Was Thrawn Dazed/Stunned?

It didn't kill him. He was full health and protection. He was knocking on deaths door, but should have countered. It was a Wedge lead, Biggs, R2, Fulcrum Ashoka and GK. None of those guys dish out daze or anything that would interfere with counters. Biggs wasn't stealthed.

So you're saying that Biggs used his assist attack on Thrawn, then Thrawn counter attacked Biggs. Biggs gained 100% TM, hit Thrawn AGAIN and then Thrawn didn't counter attack the second attack?

Yes. He didn't counter the second attack from Biggs. Now I'll try again a few different ways, but it seems like Biggs is the Thrawn killer if that's the case. You could theoretically tunnel damage down on Thrawn until he's dead or Biggs is stunned. Pretty darn close to the dreaded damage loop.

Except go the fact that if it's a omegad thrawn the first attack should inflict AB and the second would stun him
VertigoBeast
8 years ago
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148353" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148349" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148343" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148336" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148329" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148313" wrote:
Biggs gains 100% TM when he is hit by a critical hit or by an Empire character. Thrawn is Empire so Biggs will gain 100% TM from being hit by Thrawn's counter attacks no matter what. It's not a counter attack, Biggs is just taking his turn and hitting Thrawn. No bug.

So if that's truly the case why didn't my Thrawn hit him back immediately with his counter? If it was a new turn generated by TM Thrawn should have counter attacked.

Pretty sure you said Thrawn already did hit him with the counter attack...? Let's get this straight:

Biggs hit's Thrawn with assist Special
Thrawn Counter attacks Biggs
Biggs gains 100% TM from being hit by Empire character
Biggs takes another turn and hits Thrawn again
Thrawn is dead? If not, Thrawn should counter attack that second hit.
If thrawn didn't counter that second hit... Was Thrawn Dazed/Stunned?

It didn't kill him. He was full health and protection. He was knocking on deaths door, but should have countered. It was a Wedge lead, Biggs, R2, Fulcrum Ashoka and GK. None of those guys dish out daze or anything that would interfere with counters. Biggs wasn't stealthed.

So you're saying that Biggs used his assist attack on Thrawn, then Thrawn counter attacked Biggs. Biggs gained 100% TM, hit Thrawn AGAIN and then Thrawn didn't counter attack the second attack?

Yes. He didn't counter the second attack from Biggs. Now I'll try again a few different ways, but it seems like Biggs is the Thrawn killer if that's the case. You could theoretically tunnel damage down on Thrawn until he's dead or Biggs is stunned. Pretty darn close to the dreaded damage loop.

Well Thrawn SHOULD have Counter attacked the second attack from Biggs if that's the case. If you can get it to happen again I'd report it as a bug.
x0797mjs3
8 years ago
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148353" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148349" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148343" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148336" wrote:
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148329" wrote:
"Vertigo;c-1148313" wrote:
Biggs gains 100% TM when he is hit by a critical hit or by an Empire character. Thrawn is Empire so Biggs will gain 100% TM from being hit by Thrawn's counter attacks no matter what. It's not a counter attack, Biggs is just taking his turn and hitting Thrawn. No bug.

So if that's truly the case why didn't my Thrawn hit him back immediately with his counter? If it was a new turn generated by TM Thrawn should have counter attacked.

Pretty sure you said Thrawn already did hit him with the counter attack...? Let's get this straight:

Biggs hit's Thrawn with assist Special
Thrawn Counter attacks Biggs
Biggs gains 100% TM from being hit by Empire character
Biggs takes another turn and hits Thrawn again
Thrawn is dead? If not, Thrawn should counter attack that second hit.
If thrawn didn't counter that second hit... Was Thrawn Dazed/Stunned?

It didn't kill him. He was full health and protection. He was knocking on deaths door, but should have countered. It was a Wedge lead, Biggs, R2, Fulcrum Ashoka and GK. None of those guys dish out daze or anything that would interfere with counters. Biggs wasn't stealthed.

So you're saying that Biggs used his assist attack on Thrawn, then Thrawn counter attacked Biggs. Biggs gained 100% TM, hit Thrawn AGAIN and then Thrawn didn't counter attack the second attack?

Yes. He didn't counter the second attack from Biggs. Now I'll try again a few different ways, but it seems like Biggs is the Thrawn killer if that's the case. You could theoretically tunnel damage down on Thrawn until he's dead or Biggs is stunned. Pretty darn close to the dreaded damage loop.

Or if you have a taunting tank then this never happens.
DropItLikeItHot
8 years ago
First attack is speed up, then ability block and then stun.
riffinator24
New Spectator
8 years ago
"DropItLikeItHoth;c-1148360" wrote:
First attack is speed up, then ability block and then stun.

First attack turns INTO AB and then if hit will be stunned
DropItLikeItHot
8 years ago
Thanks. That speed up disappears immediately.
moob569
8 years ago
The only explanation if no debuffs were involved, is thrawns fracture expired on whoever you put it on.
tharduskafka
8 years ago
"Dathca;c-1148487" wrote:
The only explanation if no debuffs were involved, is thrawns fracture expired on whoever you put it on.

Hey! Look at that, someone figured it out. If Thrawn got TM and had a turn he would have lost Fracture. Since he only counters when Fracture is active that seems the most likely scenario.