Ya I don't us them often in my game because of the ugly factor, though I have a really soft spot for David who is not bad looking, but still the ugly runs in the genes. But sometime I have enough pretty going in my game, got to add some ugly. I like the family as they are fun but if you want to have the kids marry and have more kids, hope to breed the ugly out. I never got fair enough with them to see if it could be done. LOL Maybe this time. Like Malcolm Landgraab; I love that sim but only once many years ago did he have a good looking set of twins. No matter who he has kids with, they don't looks so hot moist of the time.