TS3 2.0

"JoAnne65;c-15767669" wrote:

"BlackSand;c-15766980" wrote:

"Uzone27;c-15766971" wrote:


Gotcha.
One thing concerning some<<< (see what I did there?) criticism of TS4 emanating from this part of the forum is that it is heavily tainted for reasons I described previously. Whether they are willing to admit it or not...their disappointment over the things S4 didn't carry over definitely effects how they view TS4 as a whole. This is not an indictment.it's human nature...


In other words this isn't exactly the place to hang if you want an objective opinion of TS4.

Uzone...*puts on flak jacket... B)

Ya Think?
But then again ... This is our house ... B)

Thing is, the Sims 4 section isn't exactly the place if you want an objective opinion of TS4 either ;) Nobody is objective on these boards, we are all biased in one way or the other.

I don't think that's a fair assessment. I can be objective about the game in either section. I can admit the short comings of TS3 and the triumphs of TS4 and I can also say what TS3 does better and what TS4 is lacking. I just happen to think that TS3 is the superior game and it's my favorite of the series; however, that doesn't make my objectivity non-existent.

"aricarai;c-15767799" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-15767669" wrote:

"BlackSand;c-15766980" wrote:

"Uzone27;c-15766971" wrote:


Gotcha.
One thing concerning some<<< (see what I did there?) criticism of TS4 emanating from this part of the forum is that it is heavily tainted for reasons I described previously. Whether they are willing to admit it or not...their disappointment over the things S4 didn't carry over definitely effects how they view TS4 as a whole. This is not an indictment.it's human nature...


In other words this isn't exactly the place to hang if you want an objective opinion of TS4.

Uzone...*puts on flak jacket... B)

Ya Think?
But then again ... This is our house ... B)

Thing is, the Sims 4 section isn't exactly the place if you want an objective opinion of TS4 either ;) Nobody is objective on these boards, we are all biased in one way or the other.

I don't think that's a fair assessment. I can be objective about the game in either section. I can admit the short comings of TS3 and the triumphs of TS4 and I can also say what TS3 does better and what TS4 is lacking. I just happen to think that TS3 is the superior game and it's my favorite of the series; however, that doesn't make my objectivity non-existent.

One simmer doesn't represent a whole section of course ;) The statement was that 'criticism of TS4 emanating from this part of the forum is heavily tainted' and that 'this isn't exactly the place to hang if you want an objective opinion of TS4'. Which to me seems to imply people who say things about Sims 4 in this section must be taken with a grain of salt because they are not objective by default (including you apparently, according to the simmer who says it); when you want an objective view on Sims 4 you'll only find that in the Sims 4 section. Well, no. Being biased goes both ways ;) I see a lot of very subjective Sims 4 defending in the TS4 section.

(apart from the fact that whole statement has nothing to do with anything, because this topic handles how Sims 3 fans feel about a next Sims game and nobody can answer that question more accurately than a Sims 3 fan and it really doesn't matter in what section they are doing it)

(p.s. I think we are saying sort of the same thing by the way ;))

Most of us in the TS3 forum have played either the Sims 4 demo and found it lacking or have played the actual "released" game. Just because we take exception to certain aspects that we've found missing in Sims 4, doesn't make our opinions any less objective than those players who have been playing Sims 4 for a long time. As far as we are concerned, we've taken a measure of Sims 4, compared it to the previous iteration and found it sorely lacking.

To the Sims 4 proponents - If you like the game, good for you. But for me, it's lacking so much that I will NOT put down good money for a game that I find is not playable to my style of gameplay.

"Nikkei_Simmer;c-15767832" wrote:
Most of us in the TS3 forum have played either the Sims 4 demo and found it lacking or have played the actual "released" game. Just because we take exception to certain aspects that we've found missing in Sims 4, doesn't make our opinions any less objective than those players who have been playing Sims 4 for a long time. As far as we are concerned, we've taken a measure of Sims 4, compared it to the previous iteration and found it sorely lacking.

To the Sims 4 proponents - If you like the game, good for you. But for me, it's lacking so much that I will NOT put down good money for a game that I find is not playable to my style of gameplay.

I own it. But just the base game. I've played it. Every once-in-a-while I try and play it again and am once again reminded of all that is missing. Which is why I have never bought a SP, GP or EP for it. I refuse to send good money after bad in the hopes that doing so might improve my play experience. The basics are not there. No create-a-style and no edit town and especially, no open world. I could edit the town in Sims 2. It didn't bother me in Sims 1 because I didn't know what I was missing.

Back to the Sims roots? Back to basics? Back to focusing on the sims themselves? They can spin it however they like, they went beyond going "back" it's missing so much. I didn't ask them to go back, they should have gone forward.

And it's boring. Stuck on the home lot. Watching the same townies walk by in the loop. I can't do it.

So I'll stay with Sims 3.

After reading, and contemplating a bit.
TS>TS2>TS3... ...TS4
(something went very wrong).

in comparison:
Elite>Elite2>Elite:F>Elite:DA -a forward evolution of a franchise.
If Elite Dangerous ended up like Deepspace, I wouldn't say it'd be bad. Just something went terribly wrong somewhere.
If The Elder Scrolls, after Skyrim creates TES VI, a dungeon corridor shooter... ...I will surely say something has gone terribly wrong. -It might be a frightingly good corridor shooter, but its not open world (to use open world as an example) Ergo... Something's gone awry.

THAT is the plain fact about TS4. Its a 'good game' but they messed up, by offensively remove the innovation TS was from the beginning up to and with TS3.

Since the beginning of computergames, there must either be innovation, consistency or improvement. Prefferably all three. In my opinion, TS4 breaks with all three of these 'rules'. -Then I find games, subjectively, boring and gives a plums plum about it. I sincerely believe a lot of pre-TS4 simmers also feels like that.

I think we are going off topic. Which isn't strange since the OP removed the OP, but now it appears to be turning into an anti Sims 4 topic and personally I think that's a shame. The point of the OP was that Sims 3 fans want a Sims 3 2.0. Which as such is an interesting discussion. Do we?

Maybe. But as long as we're making wish lists, here's an idea I haven't seen expressed before.

How about if they split/spin off the series and give us both a TS3.5 and a TS4.5 (or 5.0) at the same time, from different development teams, in the future?

@JoAnne65 - Fair enough, fair enough.
Maybe(?) we are getting off topic, but TS3 2.0 is rather irrelevant. -It is the best bait to turn anything into a fire and brimstone-talk. It'd be better, imho, to clarify why people might have such aversions to either game. Then, maybe then, zealous TS4's could actually 'talk' with equally zealous TS3's (and previous iterations). -and mayyyyybeee be able to convince future devs how a future iteration of TS should/would/ought to be.

"igazor;c-15768605" wrote:
Maybe. But as long as we're making wish lists, here's am idea I haven't seen expressed before.

How about if they split/spin off the series and give us both a TS3.5 and a TS4.5 (or 5.0) at the same time, from different development teams, in the future?

@igazor You mean, seriously ? (I'm not sarcastic, it's a genuine question)
Because I'm also thinking that maybe this is the symptom that something must be done. That maybe the future of the Sims franchise is 2 different franchises, for different publics. One more casual and more kid-friendly like TS4, and one more complex that will truly satisfy gamers again. But would the Sims' spirit be lost in the process ?... They surely wouldn't even be called "the Sims". But I'd surely like to try the second product.

@Uzone27 While I can understand that things can look like this, especially when it comes to EPs, let's remember that 99% of all members here have no experience in game development. If you don't have much knowledge in this area, how can you suggest to create something that's both truly innovative and technically possible in 2017 ? It's not just a matter of nostalgia contrary to what some people are suggesting. Ideas behind a truly innovative game will most of the time come from skilled developers. You need the right tools to have the right ideas for a new product. It's when you're already concretely developing a project that you get new ideas. Members aren't to blame for reusing ideas. It's pretty normal.

"Candyd;c-15768746" wrote:

"igazor;c-15768605" wrote:
Maybe. But as long as we're making wish lists, here's am idea I haven't seen expressed before.

How about if they split/spin off the series and give us both a TS3.5 and a TS4.5 (or 5.0) at the same time, from different development teams, in the future?

@igazor You mean, seriously ? (I'm not sarcastic, it's a genuine question)
Because I'm also thinking that maybe this is the symptom that something must be done. That maybe the future of the Sims franchise is 2 different franchises, for different publics. One more casual and more kid-friendly like TS4, and one more complex that will truly satisfy gamers again. But would the Sims' spirit be lost in the process ?... They surely wouldn't even be called "the Sims". But I'd surely like to try the second product.

I never really gave that idea any serious thought until now, it just popped into my head. But why not? And it's not really serious vs. kid-friendly, just speaking to players who prefer one platform over the other for any reason. Or who like both at different times -- of course two sets of development teams means much more overhead, but potentially a lot more in sales as well.

The idea is not to further split and isolate an already divided customer base, but to expand the roof over the building that is The Sims that we all share. Or something poetic like that. ;)