Hey all,
If you started seeing this behavior only after the October 11th patch, please use this thread instead as we are tracking these as 2 separate issues.
I had had this issue in the past, then it seemed to go away. Now after today's update my sims are being mean for no clear reason. One of of them has 3 good traits from growing up and still is mean, then she gets a buff for regretting being mean. When I monitor them and try to cancel their mean interactions they queue the mean interaction again (same one) over and over again. Sometimes I can distract them but then they'll queue the mean interaction again. I've been playing the same family for generations and they are falling out with each other, fighting for no reason. My couples are about to split up because they keep being mean to each other. It's so sad. I don't think I can play like this. I made a copy of my game before the update. I hope I can turn off updates and play that version but I'm not sure if that would work. It's so sad to think I lost the ability to play my families.
Update: I checked all of my legacy sim's relationship bits (I'm focusing on one sim at the moment, she seems to be mean the most often), she has no negative sentiments. I also cheated to set all her character values to 100. But she is still randomly mean. It does seem to be a bit less often. She'll chat for longer before being mean. She always regrets being mean. I really don't understand. She was such a good kid, she earned high character values without cheats. Why would she grow up so mean? She has no mean traits.
I'm so sad. Maybe I'll have to abandon her. She won't be able to have any friends anymore. She ruins her relationships. She almost ruined her one with her boyfriend whom she had just gotten a whim to marry. I had her talk to him to get to the proposal option and she tanked their relationship. Both friendship and romantic went down so low in less than a minute. I was horrified. I do play with mods but they are mods I've had for a long time. I haven't added any new ones. I just update the mods I have. They haven't had updates since mid November.
Update: This may be resolved for me. I focused on one sim, named Sana, (this is the sim I mentioned in my previous post). At first I downloaded MC Command Center to try turning off the interactions. But I couldn't figure out how to use it. I then decided to age down my sim from young adult. I saw that her character values were all at zero except for empathy which was severely in the red. I don't know what caused this. She was kind when she was young, forever checking on her younger sister Yuna. Had to always send her away when her little sister was a baby and would cry because Sana would immediately check on her even though she was too young to tend to the needs of a baby. She always checked on the cat, cleaned up and was very friendly. As I said she earned her character value traits on her own without my trying to get them up. She didn't have enough in empathy to get that trait but it wasn't in the red. My guess is there was a glitch when she grew up. Her birthday was close to when the recent update happened.
Seeing that her empathy was severely in the red when I aged her down, I used IU cheats to set her values to what they were when I aged her up the first time and for good measure I set empathy at max green. Then I aged her up again. So far she hasn't done anything mean.
I'm so relieved. I love my legacy sims so I would hate to have any of them be glitched. It's find to be mean if that's your personality but it was totally not her personality. She would get a regret buff after being mean but would continue being mean anyway. It was heartbreaking to see her try to be friendly with people and suddenly be mean then be embarrassed and feel guilty. Sana has moved out already so I'll need to check on the other members of the family. Fingers crossed they're okay. All except for Simon (Sana's nephew) and Yuna are older than Sana with families of their own. It could be messy aging them down, I'm scared it will mess up the family ties.
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I just took another look at the sims who have been doing these mean interactions with ShowSimInfo and noticed they have character values. They were all created in CAS as YAs so they shouldn't have character values. You're right, the autonomous mean behavior is like they behave when kids grow up with negative emotional control. If it happens again, I'll check if these character values are negative when they start being mean for no reason. In both cases, it was triggered after some kind of argument in the household and there was a grudge/negative sentiment involved but was supposedly gone or resolved. I'm starting to wonder if it does something to character values too. Maybe being an occult factors into it too and maybe there's couple of things causing the bug to happen.
It's not happening with these sims now because one I ended up having to start all over again with a new save and with the other, I recovered the save from before Winterfest before Father Winter caused drama in the household with his flirting. But I just checked their hidden info and they all have character values (Two have Emotional Control scores, 65 and -2, and one has Responsibility +3) .
Ok, I did some testing and here's what I found:
I started a new save with two YAs, neither of them are occults. I had them build up a romance and go steady, then had one cheat on the other. It started a very long running grudge on both sides. They had maxed out negative friendship and romance. Eventually I got them to work it out and the sentiments disappeared from their panel. But I saw that they still had the option in the Mean category to "ask what problem is". After waiting a few days after the negative issues were supposedly resolved, one started being autonomously mean to the other.
I aged them down as teens, nothing was really out of the ordinary, one had all neutral character values, one had slightly negative manners because she's a slob. So I don't know if that is by design or not but they do seem to gain character values as a YA. But that turned out not to be my problem either.
I checked with ShowSimInfo and it showed in their hidden relationships info that they both still had hidden grudges against each other. I found a mod the other day that makes it easy to add and remove base game sentiments, so I figured that was worth a try because nothing else I've tried other that restarting or recovering saves has fixed this for me.
The mod worked and I was able to remove those stuck hidden sentiments from them. Thank goodness!!
So in my case, it is definitely tied to sentiments that are supposed to be worked out but aren't and they are "hidden". These were just two regular YAs I put in a new save together for testing purposes.
The mod can be found over at MTS and it's called Easy Sentiments Cheats. So I'd say if nothing else works, look this mod up and give it a try.
