[FIXED] [ECO] Objects disappear from lots/ NPC Stealing (with and without N.A.P)
Product: The Sims 4 Platform:PC Which language are you playing the game in? English How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%) What is your current game version number? 1.63.134.1020 Wha...
Fixed an issue where NPC Sims would continuously steal objects from Lots without having the Kleptomaniac Trait. They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
Fixed in Patch 1.65.77/ 1.30
I don't know if all posts in this thread were actually really down to the NAP.
EA fixed this but I don't know how it was fixed .. there could still be issues on your save. There are also other issue that have similar symptoms.
If you still have objects disappearing, please check the threads below if any of those apply to you before opening a new thread.
There's also the issue with existing saves and Sharing is Caring NAP being active. Repeal them to be sure that it's not that.
Sharing is Caring is also a commodity so existing Sims/Saves will probably still have issues. Please try the suggestions in this thread and ask for help there if you want to fix your legacy saves: NPC Autonomy commodities incorrectly being saved on Sims
There's potentially more that I'm currently forgetting. Will add if I find more.
What do to if you still have this issue ?
Check the threads listed above if any of them apply to you
If you still get lots of stealing on a new save, please create a new thread.
Well, technically, didn't they give us the option to remove it? Just to not allow the NAP Sharing is Caring be enacted by forcing a different one through? I think we just need to keep an eye on the NAPs and make SURE certain ones aren't enacted.
I agree, it's a bit extreme how it works, and it SHOULDN'T be making commercial lots incomplete. Maybe it should be checking if stealing a certain item would trigger an "incomplete", it doesn't steal. Like if a restaurant requires something like 1 sink, and you have 2, it would allow one stolen, but not 2.
At least we can control if it gets enacted or not. It needs quite a bit of tweaking. As do most NAPs.
Well, technically, didn't they give us the option to remove it? Just to not allow the NAP Sharing is Caring be enacted by forcing a different one through? I think we just need to keep an eye on the NAPs and make SURE certain ones aren't enacted.
I agree, it's a bit extreme how it works, and it SHOULDN'T be making commercial lots incomplete. Maybe it should be checking if stealing a certain item would trigger an "incomplete", it doesn't steal. Like if a restaurant requires something like 1 sink, and you have 2, it would allow one stolen, but not 2.
At least we can control if it gets enacted or not. It needs quite a bit of tweaking. As do most NAPs.
So I want to try out the NAP, but without activating the Sharing is Caring thing. I went to the mailbox, staring at the screen and got confused. Really hope the EA can fix this bug weird law enforcement activity.
I couldn't click or unclick the Sharing is Caring… I can only hover over it and read the description that's all. So does this mean it's already activated without my notice? Maybe it happened from the last few times of vote that I didn't attend? So did the game just auto-activated the theft-is-not-crime plan even if us player (sim's gods) didn't say we want to? I'm soo confused. My sim is in Newcrest with no other people live there but only she. Somehow ghost NPCs (a metaphor. I don't have ghost sims in my world either.) came here and vote? And then forced laws that never notify me what it is?
I'm panic. I really really want to get along with NPCs, they look cute. And I would hate to be suspicious of other sims action all the time. It'll only make me more anxious than in real life. Not to mention keeping an eye on the NAP board is intense and stressful. My girl used to have a simple, happy farming life and enjoys her peace in nature.
And because this is an empty world except my sim girl lives in there, I do not have a community board. So how do I disable the weird NPCs-can-vote action as it was written in the game lessons? I just want to play solo... with limited interaction with other sims. Somehow it feels like the game is forcing me to interact with others and gain influence points in order to persuade the NPC to vote for my plans...?
Off the topic. Sometimes the dialogue from other sims in Eco creeps me out. One stranger sim asks me to lend her money but my girl has never talked to her before. She murmured and whined about my girl not lending her money, and that annoys me. As if I become a bad guy not letting her pursue her dreams. Also, another old lady claimed my girl has a friend, and that person's grandfather(?) passed away and had a will to give my girl tons of money. In fact, she has never had any friends yet. She's busying on her farm and earns money. So I ask, "on what condition?" And the lady said a bunch of illogical things and I heard "cling!" the money bell rings. But I had no idea if that meant the lady took away my money or she gave my girl money. Because there's no notification of what had happened.
Since I downloaded the Eco patch, sim's life is so complicated and confusing. I bought the pack just because I want solar panels, wind turbines, and other goodies in the build and new hairstyles. I feel like this whole new game interaction is a black box.
P.S: The EA is getting the whole sharing is caring idea wrong. Sure, the sims can share bathrooms, dinner, watching TV, etc. They can borrow stuff (have permission first then borrow), and then return after use (though taking stuff away from a restaurant is weird). That also counts as sharing! Also, couldn't we just donate stuff to the community and let it become a shared item? The game designer team is taking the sharing-caring idea in an extreme way. It should be one sim willing give out their stuff to others, and other sims can take it because it's marked as shared/donated item. That's also an act of sharing is caring. It shouldn't be you-see-it-you-take-it, like thinking in a thief perspective. And shouldn't demand that a sim have to let~it~go~~ when their stuff (owned by buying it or by swiping it) is stolen from another sim. The game designers are turning this seemingly ideal plan into chaos and a joke. And how are the official game team going to do with the young players who don't fully understand about social ethics and laws? Preaching them that it is okay to loot or steal? To be honest, if this sharing-is-caring idea is in real life, there will be wars and fights... people fight for their right to own an item. If they don't fight, they starve. Not everyone/everysim is 100% selfless. They will start a fight for an item for sure. If they're selfless and darling, then they wouldn't ask a stranger for grand money in the first place without writing a receipt for a loan or paying an effort to earn their trust from a stranger.
Somehow the designer team wants to make crime into sim-reality and justice because the game somehow just auto-enforced the law without the player's consent... If the sim-neighborhood wants it, they get it? Communism... this sharing is caring is an extreme act of communism wrapped up with the seemingly democratic vote. We don't actually get to know the total voters in an area! The numbers just randomly assigned to different plans by the computer program regardless of how many sims actually live in that world.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I think I really need to go search for a mod so I wouldn't build up a bad impression towards other sims and also enjoy my sims life peacefully.
@Sei_Stargirl The phrase "Sharing is Caring" was meant to be facetious, not literal.
The two NAPs you have listed at the top, Sharing is Caring and Tech Support were enacted, Active NAPs are always at the top.
There are two things you can do. Cheat or attempt a repeal. To cheat, just turn on Testingcheats and shift-click on your mailbox, there'll be an option to instantly repeal a NAP.
The repeal option is a lot harder. I think you just need to become friends with a LOT of people and convince them to repeal it also.
I actually like the phone calls. They attempt to fleece money out of you. I never fall for it. Although the dead relative one is fun. Go ahead and choose the top option once, it's worth seeing. 🙂
The majority of the NAPs are completely broken. Sharing is Caring will cause commercial lots to break. Inviting sims in your house will cause them to clean out your house. Tech support will cause Future Cubes to spawn EVERYWHERE. Noone will do anything but play with those. Most of the NAPs are like that.
It's best to just turn off "NPC Voting" in the game settings and cheat-repeal any existing NAPs. If you want to try one, you can vote for it yourself. But remember, most of them are all broken.
@Psychotps you don't actually have to become friends, just get the 5 signatures. I thought you had to be friends at first because I was getting rejected but even friends will reject so I just spam every young adult and older I see walking by until I have the signatures
In The Sims 4 forum/game feedback, Pamtastic72 presented a solution I will reproduce below:
"Guys, everything you described with N.A.P.s is a feature not a bug, and the pack is not broken. The good news it you can control it and fix it without mods.
In gameplay settings under Eco Lifestyle take the check mark out of the box to allow NPC sim voting on N.A.P.s
Turn testing cheats on
Shift click the mailbox for your active household Or a community board
Select instant repeal of NAPs and repeal any and all unwanted NAPs
Sell all future cubes, & clay balls and replace all stolen items in free build mode
Enjoy your NAP free peaceful life
If there is a NAP you want your active sim can vote on it and it will take effect on in game Monday morning or you can instantly enact it by shift clicking the mailbox or community board and selecting it. You have complete control here and don’t have to trash saves you’ve been playing forever or feel frustrated by a game that seems out of control. Hope this helps. 🙂
ETA: heads up, you will after turning NPC voting off still get notifications that a NAP has been enacted. Don’t panic it has not. You can shift click the mailbox and see any active NAPs, and see with NPC voting off, unless you enacted one the notification will be incorrect and no new NAP has actually taken effect."
You will have to do it in every neighborhood present in your game, they are four in Willow Creek, four in Oasis Springs, three in Newcrest, three in Windenburg, four in San Myshuno, one in Forgotten Hollow, three in Brindleton Bay, two in Del Sol Valley, two in StrangerVille, three in Sulani, one in Glimmerbrook, three in Britechester, and three in Evergreen Harbor.
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