sorry for the delay. I had to learn how to add and remove traits. Only cheat I had used previously was resetsim.
I verified that the player trait was removed, before re-equipping.
My results have been very consistent.
I tried remove and equip player trait 5 times just to be sure.
I tried many actions after each removal and re-equip.
this is where its a bit odd, but very consistent.
I restarted the test once I noticed that only 5 romantic chat options caused the jealousy hit. Also jealousy hit is taken even when the sim is sleeping.
I tried full test for my over 1 year old save household and the household with 3 vampires.
Also seems the jealousy hit is only affecting the friendship bar (green bar), the love bar (pink bar) doesn't move, stays full. Original jealousy hits are a little vague to me, but I really thought affected pink bar too.
Only actions that take a jealousy hit are:
first kiss, kiss, passionate kiss, woohoo, woohoo try for baby.
Seems all other romantic chat options do not take a jealousy hit.
I tried many of the commands from the romance category of speech and not one took a jealousy hit.
I tried many commands, but after restarting test i made specific note of the below commands not giving jealousy hit.
kiss hands, kiss cheek, caress cheek, sweet talk, whisper seductively, give and receive massage, blow kiss, flirtatious joke, embrace, profess undying love, recite love poetry, and ask to be girlfriend.
makeout (does not take a jealousy hit) was the most odd, as makeout can be used in dates to satisfy the kiss objective in a date.
I also did a 3rd test by removing the 3rd vampire and added a new vampire member. then completed the player aspiration with aspirations.complete_current_milestone for each stage. performed test case again with same results.
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I edited to clean up last section of text and to add my system specs.
@crinrictSince I posted, I've been testing a new game. No Mods, Brand New Sim, cheated up his rep, celebrity level, some skills, and of course the player trait. Haven't seen any hits on Rep or Relationships taking place (except those that were cheating with him). I'm going to dig around some more with some testing. The original Ulfric was a Vampire, so @rhah01 may be onto something with Vampire issues.
Edit: Not only did I not take a rep hit when romancing Moira, Dominic called me to congratulate on starting to date Moira.
the vampire household is very new.
but my very old household before seasons was even released, i think I had get together and the get to work expansions only they were the only ones released at the time.
this household had no special sims (no vampire or anything like that). I spent over 6 months getting most of the aspirations and such that were available back then.
both households are taking jealousy hits.
edit:
creating a new household just normal sims to test again.
@aidans1985 I use MC Command Center as well. But I want to keep the Jealousy settings normal for story progression reasons.
I don't use mods at all.
I created a new household of 3 normal sims. all with player trait. used the aspirations.complete_current_milestone to give each the player trait.
I am getting the exact same results.
Only actions that take a jealousy hit are:
kiss, passionate kiss, woohoo try for baby, woohoo, and first kiss
All other romantic actions are being ignored by 3rd party sim.
none of the sims are engaged or married, not even best friends.
I can provide save if you like.
just tell me what files i need and where they are, and I'll dump them on google drive.
the reason I wanted to try a new household was to make sure the soulmate and player aspirations wasn't colliding and to make sure no other traits where causing issues.
I know for a fact the soulmate and player aspirations didn't collide in my old save i played it for a very long time with both aspiration without issue.
just wanted to make sure wasn't causing an issue now.
edit:
this is happening on 2 different computers both created new game with new household.
Currently, not using any mods as well. Can't help them fix it if it's a mod breaking it LOL. Keep up the good work @rhah01
@crinrict @rhah01 Here's the results of my all day testing of the Player Trait.
Notes: New Sim - Spellcaster, No Mods, testing cheats were used to give skills, complete aspirations, and satisfaction points.
Single Sim with the Player Trait: Functioned as it should. No issues with Jealousy or Reputation hits.
Two Household Sims with the Player Trait: Seemed to be functioning, got the red friendship and reputation loss flying indicators, but no actual loss of either.
Three Household Sims with the Player Trait: Broke. Friendship hits and Reputation hits on those who were observing. As an added bonus:
Ulfric, awesome glad you narrowed it down. I never even thought to try less sims. my 3 households having issues are 2 household of 3 sims, and 1 household of 4 sims.
lol for my test cases I just put all 3 sims in a room and deleted the door so no one could walk off. kim is really angry and carl is afraid to sleep.
for the flying red friendship and reputation losses but no hits on 2 sim household is also a bug, as back in the day (only got to work and get together was released) with my original household there were no red flags at all.
Could either of you create a new thread for the three-household issue ?
You don't need to repeat all your testing just fill out the form for me. I'll move everything posted over to the new thread but I think it's best if we keep this one on fixed as it's a specific situation.
I'm guessing it's 3 or more ? Maybe you could test that as well.
I just tested with 5 sim household, i already have tested with 3 and 4 sim households, its defiantly 3+.
this is the same bug, but this current bug just wasn't fixed properly.
this can be broken down into a few issues:
1. jealousy, friendship and reputation hits on 3+ sim household with player trait on all sims.
2. invalid jealousy, friendship and reputation notifications but no actual damage on 2 sim household.
3. don't know how to explain this yet, and really should be tested on those without player trait as well:
Only actions that take a jealousy hit are:
first kiss, kiss, passionate kiss, woohoo, woohoo try for baby.
Seems all other romantic chat options do not take a jealousy hit: (and there are no notifications of jealousy or friendship lost no red flags)
kiss hands, kiss cheek, caress cheek, sweet talk, whisper seductively, give and receive massage, blow kiss, flirtatious joke, embrace, profess undying love, recite love poetry, ask to be girlfriend and makeout
probably best to make 3 different bug threads and link all together along with this bug thread too. as all 4 bug threads are tied together and really needs to be looked at as a whole and indebth. this system seems to be pretty broken and this bug thread seems to only have half fixed and introduced new bugs of 2 and 3 from list above.
oh no the 2 I listed is the red notification flags of bad jealousy behavior, but no negative effects just notifications are showing incorrectly. my #2 is talking of false notification of jealousy. this i also have not tried as I am just going off what Ulfric said.
the other issue that your talking of is the reputation hit when someone called accusing of cheating. that reputation was damaged. Ulfric should document that one as i have not seen that.
sounds good on making new threads.
right now I am further testing 3.
I'm currently adding a 4th sim with no player trait to household with the 3 player trait sims. reloading testing again for accuracy in a minute.
this is rough memory. I need more testing but i think below is what happened so far more scenarios are needed too.
4th sim (no player trait)
edit for 1. 4th no player trait performs romanitic actions on 1st player trait sim has same bugged behavior of jealousy friendship and reputation hits with first kiss, kiss, passionate kiss, woohoo, woohoo try for baby. tested 3 times. this is pretty bad since 4th sim with no player trait this is first romance.
2. jealousy hits when 4th sim (no player trait) try to preform any romantic action on 2nd player trait sim. even flirt. this is what i would think as correct behavior.
3. a player trait sim perform romantic actions on 4th sim (no player trait) only those 5 romantic actions listed before triggered jealousy hits. broken behavior same as what i been seeing with all player trait sims interacting with each other.
next senario 3 sims, only 2 with player trait.
1st sim player trait, 2nd sim player trait as girlfriend.
1st sim gets jealousy friend and reputation hits when using same 5 romantic actions on 3rd sim (game lists as sweetheart) with no player trait. 2nd sim (girlfriend) is now very angry with 1st player trait sim.
1st sim gets the false jealousy friend and reputation hits when using same 5 romantic actions with 3rd sim (sweetheart) when performing those 5 romantic actions on 2nd sim (listed as girlfriend).
size of household doesn't matter from what I can see, its who is getting the false reputation hits and who is actually getting angry.
next senario: 3 sims, 2 live together active household 1st sim with player trait 2nd sim as girlfriend, 1 in different household (player made or a default sim behaves the same) all 3 sims in same room.
1st sim (player trait) 3rd sim (different house hold). only same 5 romantic actions cause 2nd sim girlfriend jealousy hits.
1st sim (player trait) and 2nd sim girlfriend, 3rd sim no reaction used all romantic actions. this is working correctly. it seems sims not apart of active household work proper.
made 3rd sim a girlfriend and test results are the same. girlfriend status doesn't change results.
crinrict or ulfric is there a way to actually see reputation? I am making assumptions that's is the same based on actual or false notifications of friendship hits. but assuming can be very bad.
@rhah01 It's part of Get Famous.
oh i have get famous, but i disabled the fame. I was thinking it was the reputation yall were talking of was like sims 3 when they call you a cheater and such.
I took all my testing and tried to make it as clear and tightly formed as possible.
Here is all my testing put into a nice and tight explanation.
Jealousy hits happening for kiss, passionate kiss, woohoo try for baby, woohoo, and first kiss
All other romantic actions are being ignored
1. size of household doesn't matter
2. it does matter if the sims lives in same household or different household.
Scenario 1:
perquisites:
3 sims living in same household with all with player trait
1st sim romantic with 2nd sim.
1. 1st sim romantic with 3rd sim causes jealousy hits when using any of the kiss, passionate kiss, woohoo try for baby, woohoo, and first kiss romantic actions.
can try with any and all have same results.
Scenario 2:
perquisites:
added a 4th sim (no player trait) to the 1st scenario.
1. 4th sim (no player trait) preforms any of kiss, passionate kiss, woohoo try for baby, woohoo, and first kiss on just 1 of the 1st scenario sims. I think this is broken since 1st romance. but maybe working correctly since the 1st scenario sims are all romantically involved with each other.
2. jealousy hits when 4th sim (no player trait) try to preform any romantic action on a 2nd player trait sim. even flirt. this is what i would think as correct behavior.
3. any of the 3 player trait sim perform romantic actions on 4th sim (no player trait) only those 5 romantic actions listed before triggered jealousy hits. broken behavior same as what i been seeing with all player trait sims interacting with each other.
Scenario 3:
prequisites:
3 sims, only 2 with player trait.
1st sim player trait, 2nd sim player trait as girlfriend.
1. 1st sim gets jealousy hits when using same 5 romantic actions on 3rd sim (game lists as sweetheart) with no player trait. 2nd sim (girlfriend) is now very angry with 1st player trait sim.
2. 1st sim gets the false jealousy hits when using same 5 romantic actions with 3rd sim (sweetheart) when performing those 5 romantic actions on 2nd sim (listed as girlfriend).
Scenario 4:
prequisites:
3 sims
2 live together active household
1st sim with player trait
2nd sim as girlfriend
3rd sim in a different household (player made or a default sim behaves the same) all 3 sims in same room.
1. 1st sim (player trait) and 3rd sim (different house hold). only same 5 romantic actions cause 2nd sim girlfriend jealousy hits.
2. 1st sim (player trait) and 2nd sim girlfriend, 3rd sim no reaction used all romantic actions. this is working correctly. it seems sims not apart of active household work proper.
3. made 3rd sim a girlfriend and test results are the same. girlfriend status does not change results.
Here is the major problem I see with the player trait is they assume just because one has the player trait that no reaction will be taken by the other sims, but this is not always the case. I tested it with one of my households the Wife and Husband both have the player trait, Here is what the player trait says in the description:
Player: Players will never cause other sims to get jealous no matter what they do.
This means Players can flirt with a guy/gal on the side in front of the wife and see won't react, but this does not protect the player from receiving a flirt from someone that is not a player, so the typical relationship sad angry moodlet precedes, and the wife goes and reacts to the other person.
Same thing with Sim A and Sim B are married and both have the player trait, if Sim A or B flirts with Sim E or D no reaction but if sim E or D flirts with Sim A or B reaction is triggered by Sim E or D or whoever caused the jealousy moodlet and relationship hit.
The sim with the player trait must be the source of the advances, if other sims from outside create a advancement of the player sim, the trait won't protect them.
very true. my 1st household have played off and on several years has 3 spouse all with player trait. the player trait is broken right now.
EA Staff (Retired)If anyone is still seeing this issue, could you possibly share a save file where you've seen it? Thanks for the help!
