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azebeenite
6 years ago
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[UNSURE] Can't place doors/Windows close together (ALT)

Product: The Sims 4
Platform:Mac
Which language are you playing the game in? English
How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%)
What is your current game version number? 1.63.133.1220
What expansions, game packs, and stuff packs do you have installed? the free ones
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? put a door in between grid lines then try to put windows right beside it,
What happens when the bug occurs? it doesnt allow you to put doors and windows beside eachother in between grid lines, with the move objects cheat on, it allows you to but it blocks the other (window or door that is beside) with wall
What do you expect to see? you should be allowed to place windows and doors next to eachother when off grid lines
Have you installed any customization with the game, e.g. Custom Content or Mods? Never used.
Did this issue appear after a specific patch or change you made to your system? Yes
Please describe the patch or change you made. june 3rd 2020 patch

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fourth screenshot of bug:

https://twitter.com/anarozaliamarie/status/1268310236189855745

fifth screenshot:

https://twitter.com/anarozaliamarie/status/1268314144517677056

the screenshots with walls in the door/ windows have the moveobjects cheat ON

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  • peacemaker_ic's avatar
    peacemaker_ic
    6 years ago

    I was asked just to explain what is happening here since I have experience making buildmode items, and it's not actually a bug. It is just how it was done to implement this feature while still obeying how windows and their cutout work. 

    Each window has an equivalent cutout and equivalent resource for it's size. So say we have a 2 tile window, it has a cutout that says it is 2 tiles and cuts out the wall for it among other things. The cutout must be the only one on that 2 tiles it is placed since multiple cutouts cannot be overlapped. That is just a limit of the system in place.

    Now in comes the patch. We can now move 1/32 of a tile with alt or now default 1/2 tile or 1/4 tile with F5. Although we have this more flexible movement and placement, the rule that a cutout cannot occupy the same space still applies. In this case we much look at a full tile when moving the windows over. Cutouts still cannot be applied to a half tile after the patch because that would imply 2 cutouts being applied to the same tile space. This is just not possible, even with the update. So in a lot of the examples I have seen, people are trying to place more then 1 window over a single tile causing the issues. This is just a limitation of how windows and cutouts are coded into the game engine, not a bug. This is how I understand it from my perspective. 

    Simply put, windows and their cutout cannot occupy the same tile, even with the new 1/32 tile placement. If 2 windows occupy a single tile at the same time, the cutouts wont work properly. 

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  • SailorCeti's avatar
    SailorCeti
    6 years ago

    I have the same issue. Place two windows side by side normally. Then move one off grid, away from the other (in between wall pieces). Then try Moby the second window next to the first one. It won’t let you. 

  • MapleSimmer's avatar
    MapleSimmer
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago

    @InfiniteVerve The issue with windows and doors not being able to share the same grid doesn't just apply to stacking, it applies even if a window and door (or two doors/ two windows) are on the same grid side by side. Just to clarify, here's an example of where a window and door are trying to share the same grid tile and because of that, you can't see through half of the glass door; I used a wall covering from Get to Work to indicate where the grid is. Please note that I have moveobjects on since the game wouldn't allow me to place them on the same grid otherwise, even with the alt key. 

    That's what SimGuruGeorge was referring to when he replied to the tweet about stacking when he said

    "Note, that if you 'nudge' your single tile windows over onto two tiles, it will take up both of those tiles." 🙂

    Best regards,

    Jennifer

  • azebeenite's avatar
    azebeenite
    6 years ago

    @MapleSimmerIf it works just fine on full grid tiles, why doesnt it work in between grid tiles? (like not pressing alt between grid tiles) shouldnt it be the exact same thing just moved over half a tile?

  • peacemaker_ic's avatar
    peacemaker_ic
    6 years ago

    I was asked just to explain what is happening here since I have experience making buildmode items, and it's not actually a bug. It is just how it was done to implement this feature while still obeying how windows and their cutout work. 

    Each window has an equivalent cutout and equivalent resource for it's size. So say we have a 2 tile window, it has a cutout that says it is 2 tiles and cuts out the wall for it among other things. The cutout must be the only one on that 2 tiles it is placed since multiple cutouts cannot be overlapped. That is just a limit of the system in place.

    Now in comes the patch. We can now move 1/32 of a tile with alt or now default 1/2 tile or 1/4 tile with F5. Although we have this more flexible movement and placement, the rule that a cutout cannot occupy the same space still applies. In this case we much look at a full tile when moving the windows over. Cutouts still cannot be applied to a half tile after the patch because that would imply 2 cutouts being applied to the same tile space. This is just not possible, even with the update. So in a lot of the examples I have seen, people are trying to place more then 1 window over a single tile causing the issues. This is just a limitation of how windows and cutouts are coded into the game engine, not a bug. This is how I understand it from my perspective. 

    Simply put, windows and their cutout cannot occupy the same tile, even with the new 1/32 tile placement. If 2 windows occupy a single tile at the same time, the cutouts wont work properly. 

  • SqueamishNerd's avatar
    SqueamishNerd
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    @strangealien22 "Windows should stay windows and not just blank out to frames. Alt place means I can free move things and as a builder who waited for this update I’m seriously disappointed this bug wasn’t worked out first" This is not a bug, they said in the livestream that the doors and windows can be moved freely BUT they can't be put within the same square. So, for example you can't put windows above each other.
  • delelise's avatar
    delelise
    6 years ago

    I am having this issue as well. It doesn't make sense to have the alt placement/half tile placement for windows and doors if you now cannot place windows next to each other on half tiles. As a builder, I was extremely excited for this feature and now I can barely use it.

  • SimplyDeeSims's avatar
    SimplyDeeSims
    Seasoned Vanguard
    6 years ago

    It's still possible, even if they can't be on the same tile, but maybe someday down the road they may have way for this to work out.

  • Lov2500's avatar
    Lov2500
    5 years ago

    Having the same issue with the waning half moon window.  I am living in the EA made home and can't duplicate their window.

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