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@Maladi777 Oooh you didn't disappoint at all! <3 I hope this all makes sense!
Whaaat? Kellie is heaps more mature and level-headed okay. That’s like comparing a headless chicken to a zenmaster. You need to level the playing field and give Kellie someone of her calibre to do a comparison with. :lol:
For Athena, we can still dissect if her character is realistic or not from a personality point of view. Athena’s magic is simply one aspect to complicate her character, just like her celebrity status, product/victim of bullying and s*xual trauma. The origin or reasons to why she acquired a particular personality trait may be unrealistic, but how it affects the character is still valid. (I.e. your reasoning for her recklessness is solid because you’re right -- magic could’ve given her an over-inflated sense of security, which could’ve drove her to be as reckless as she was in Ch 8.4 and 9.1.) Maybe I could’ve reworded this question better but I’m not sure how. To clear things up, I was simply trying to see if I’ve portrayed a teenager with parent, reputation, self-esteem, and s*xual trauma issues adequately and responsibly while letting her own personality shine. :smile:
Yup, there are rules that govern the magic in B2W universe. And I think you can guess some of the limits, drawbacks, consequences and counterbalances of Magic and how it affects the laws of their world. But this is a question I would probably ask at the end of S2 than now. You are free to let me know what you think of the lore so far. Though there’s so little of it at this point :lol:
Omg and I love love love that you pointed out the reason for my title! Between Two Worlds is exactly that -- a bunch of sims stuck between two worlds. I think the only person not stuck between 2 worlds is Jules. He’s trying to get rid of the other world. :joy:
With Curtis I’d present the same stance as Athena, he may be a HPI, but he is also a product of his circumstance. We can still dissect his character and see if the author has portrayed the effects of his upbringing, trauma and social background enough for his character to seem realistic. Maybe I’ve used the wrong words. :>
I’m so glad you like Kirino and Masato :smiley:
Ahh totally understand. I didn’t give him much screen time at all so I’m pretty sure he’s a confusing character for everyone.
Scorcher is not a completely insane character, but he’s still deranged. Rue and Curtis are replacements for his dead wife and child. From them, he demands love/acceptance but Rue is not his wife and extremely strong in character while Curtis is, well, his enemy’s son. Scorcher flits between providing for and punishing them for not being his ‘true family’. Scorcher and Masato’s brotherhood have always been strong. In that sense, Masato is considered ‘family’ which casts a fragile layer of protection over Kirino. (Hence why he has no qualms of hitting her.) The rest of the world can burn in hell. (p.s. Scorcher's wife is in the photo of 14.2 which might explain why he wanted Rue.)
This is content for S2 :)
Maybe :)
Thank you for your replies! I hope mine shed some light too! Let me know if anything doesn’t make sense.
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1. What are Athena's strengths and weaknesses? What do you think of Athena’s Character progression/development? How would you describe her?
- Is her character realistic? Is she adequately fleshed out for reader understanding?
- Any bits of her that you find confusing?
- What kind of person do you think she has become at the end of this story? What kind of person do you predict her to be in B2W?
- She insists that Curtis is relatable and her soulmate at the lighthouse scene. Did you find her insistence of them being made for each other believable? Do you have a theory why she thinks so? (I’ve never elaborated on this)
First of all I have to admit I couldn't help but compare Athena to one of my characters constantly as I was reading. She's a red head too after all. And of course whenever I found something about Athena's behavior and its believability I asked myself at the same time if I don't do the same when I write Kellie. If I found similarities I'd slap my hand not to criticize.
Is Athena's character realistic? How can one answer that? She has magical powers so that itself makes her unrealistic from the start. There's one problem with characters who have superpowers - the writer can always use the superpower/magic as a crutch, an easy explanation of any behavior or event. There needs to be balance for this to work. There must be rules, laws of the magic if you will that ensure this balance. I hesitate to make any judgements here as I'm super sensitive when it comes to characters that can do things a normal person shouldn't be capable of. Then again I myself walk a thin line with one of my own, so it's terribly difficult to give an objective opinion.
I could call Athenna reckless and then you could argue that she had confidence that she'd be able to defend herself with her magic. So what she is like when we take away the magic? Clearly someone who has uncontrollable desire to help and fix things and people. In that regard she is believable. Still a naive teenager, who believes she can fix anything by sheer force of her will and persistence. We saw her do some self-reflection at the end of the season and I think she should do more. She should look back and ask herself if all the pain was worth pursuing the man who is torn between two worlds and after all that happened isn't any closer to making a decision in which of those two worlds he wants to belong 100% I'm hoping she will make a serious attempt to extricate herself from that relationship. But given her bad luck she'll most likely end up in another unhealthy relationship. I didn't think about why she thinks she and Curtis were made for each other. Isn't it something people always think when they fall in love for the first time? That this is the perfect love that must surely last forever no matter what everyone else says?
Whaaat? Kellie is heaps more mature and level-headed okay. That’s like comparing a headless chicken to a zenmaster. You need to level the playing field and give Kellie someone of her calibre to do a comparison with. :lol:
For Athena, we can still dissect if her character is realistic or not from a personality point of view. Athena’s magic is simply one aspect to complicate her character, just like her celebrity status, product/victim of bullying and s*xual trauma. The origin or reasons to why she acquired a particular personality trait may be unrealistic, but how it affects the character is still valid. (I.e. your reasoning for her recklessness is solid because you’re right -- magic could’ve given her an over-inflated sense of security, which could’ve drove her to be as reckless as she was in Ch 8.4 and 9.1.) Maybe I could’ve reworded this question better but I’m not sure how. To clear things up, I was simply trying to see if I’ve portrayed a teenager with parent, reputation, self-esteem, and s*xual trauma issues adequately and responsibly while letting her own personality shine. :smile:
Yup, there are rules that govern the magic in B2W universe. And I think you can guess some of the limits, drawbacks, consequences and counterbalances of Magic and how it affects the laws of their world. But this is a question I would probably ask at the end of S2 than now. You are free to let me know what you think of the lore so far. Though there’s so little of it at this point :lol:
Omg and I love love love that you pointed out the reason for my title! Between Two Worlds is exactly that -- a bunch of sims stuck between two worlds. I think the only person not stuck between 2 worlds is Jules. He’s trying to get rid of the other world. :joy:
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2. What are Curtis's strength and weaknesses? What do you think of Curtis’s Character progression/development? How would you describe him?
- Is he realistic and adequately fleshed out for reader understanding?
- Did you find it strange that he cared for Athena with his background staring at violence every day?
With Curtis I have the same problem as with Athena. She has magic and Curtis is portrayed as a prodigy. Whenever you question something he does, you need to take this into account. His weakness is definitely the fact that he's not able to face the truth about himself. He keeps deluding himself he can quit anytime he wants and live anormal life, be a better man. Scratch that. He believes he is better man than the rest he's working with. Even after he killed a man he still believes it. What he doesn't realize is that even the worst criminals often think themselves good people. Someone needs to hold the mirror up to him. I kind of wish Kian does it at some point.
With Curtis I’d present the same stance as Athena, he may be a HPI, but he is also a product of his circumstance. We can still dissect his character and see if the author has portrayed the effects of his upbringing, trauma and social background enough for his character to seem realistic. Maybe I’ve used the wrong words. :>
5.Were Masato and Kirino’s complicated relationship believable?
Yes. It was tragic and beautiful. Definitely one of the highlights of this story.
I’m so glad you like Kirino and Masato :smiley:
6.Is Scorcher a believable character? Does his character, desires and actions make sense to you? (I think I gave him a monologue and two lines of dialogue explaining his perspective on life lol)
I have mixed feelings about him. I can (and can't at the same time) understand why he took his anger on the son of the man who betrayed them. But why did he hurt others? The woman who Curtis lived with for instance. (Apologies for not remembering the names of all side characters) Did he lose his mind? Why didn't he hurt Masato too then? I may have forgot or missed some key hints about his characters, I admit.
Ahh totally understand. I didn’t give him much screen time at all so I’m pretty sure he’s a confusing character for everyone.
Scorcher is not a completely insane character, but he’s still deranged. Rue and Curtis are replacements for his dead wife and child. From them, he demands love/acceptance but Rue is not his wife and extremely strong in character while Curtis is, well, his enemy’s son. Scorcher flits between providing for and punishing them for not being his ‘true family’. Scorcher and Masato’s brotherhood have always been strong. In that sense, Masato is considered ‘family’ which casts a fragile layer of protection over Kirino. (Hence why he has no qualms of hitting her.) The rest of the world can burn in hell. (p.s. Scorcher's wife is in the photo of 14.2 which might explain why he wanted Rue.)
7. What do you think about Kian? Then Carly?
I like Kian and his warm and friendly character. Curtis has a better friend in him than he deserves in my opinion. I'm afraid I don't care much for Carly yet. I wondered why you paired them up. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I simply didn't feel any chemistry between those two characters. To me it felt like one moment they weren't a couple and next they were. In my opinion Kian had more chemistry with Athena than with Carly. It was as though he started dating Carly because he couldn't have Athena. IDK.
This is content for S2 :)
9. What do you think about Grim?
What can I say? I'm glad I wasn't wrong and that he is who he is. I only wish he stopped playing a match maker. That doesn't suit him. I don't want him to be a friendly grandpa, if you know what I mean. Now that you revealed that he was manipulative, I'd like to see his character become something more powerful and sinister. Wishful thinking, yeah.
Maybe :)
Thank you for your replies! I hope mine shed some light too! Let me know if anything doesn’t make sense.
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