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I've seen this too, but in my case it was with females and trying to have two mothers.  I have been unable to manually reset the relationship to 2 mothers using ingame methods or through the MCCC mod.  I can set 1 as mother and as soon as try to set the other one to a mother, the other flips back to roommate.  But it is not consistent as I do have several other sims with 2 mothers and another with 2 fathers.

I don't think it really matters but I did notice that the one I had trouble with and never have been able to reset was a case where the sims weren't living in the same household at the time of birth.  The actual birth mother was an NPC who had the child and then I moved both mother and child into the other mother's household.  That's the only reason I could come up with for it not working.

In another case where it show 2 mothers correctly, it was my active sim who was the birth mother but I did move the NPC into the household before the birth occurred.  All my other same sex families were already living together before anybody got pregnant and all those show either 2 mothers or 2 fathers as they should.  

@CGrant56 I always enjoy reading comments like this because I always learn something new! Thanks! It's weird how it works in most cases but for all cases. All of my testing was done with either creating a family from scratch in CAS or adding a child to an existing family like the Brant and Brent Hecking in Brindleton Bay. In the case you found where it is not working, what happens if you use MCCC to first sever the relationship between the birth mother and the child (so that the child has zero parents) and then use the same to add both females as mothers? Do you still get the same result?

Btw- I once used MCCC to make an NPC family (parents and younger sister) for one of my adult Sims. Then I made them all members of a "family-only" club so I could use club gatherings to get them to spend holidays together and have family bowling nights. Very cool! :D

@RandomBuzziness  I agree on the reading thing.  Even though I've been playing this game since day 1, I am still finding things I didn't know about too.   

To answer your question on MCCC.  When I tried to use it, it wouldn't let me have two mothers either.  I did basically the same thing that CAS did.  I could only end up designating one mother.  At first, it wouldn't even give a choice to choose a 2nd mother, only a sister.  When I used it to delete all relationships with the child, after I created the 1st mother relationship, then it did give me that choice again but as soon as a created the 2nd mother relationship with the child, it deleted the first so in the end, it wouldn't do it either.  The family tree ended up showing a mother and that empty portrait you get when the game doesn't have a second parent.

Yeah, MCCC is really good for that.  I use it a lot for certain things.  I was looking for one of the maxis sims that shows up in one the pack demo videos in the gallery and I came across a bunch of Sims 2 sims they had made including the Pleasants.  Daniel and Mary Sue and teenage versions of Lilith and Angela.  So since DU gave us YA versions of the girls, I added them to my game, deleted the teen versions of the girls and used MCCC to set all the family relationships and now have the entire family in my game living in the Brichester house. 

Did the same thing with the Fengs a while ago.  In an earlier save, I had just left them as not played NPCs and because I like MCCC's story progression, they had 6 kids, 5 girls and a boy, who by the time I stopped playing that save, had aged up to teens.  In my current save, I've played the Fengs a lot (you would not believe what I've done to them <grin>) and even had 4 more girls who are now grown and married and got kids of their own so I went back to my library and added the teens back in and reset all the relationships and the family tree and rel panel looks like they've been there all the time.  Why I mention it is that I did the same thing you have and there is a Feng family club as well as a few others like it for some of main families.  I also use a mod that allows up to 20 sims in a club and it works really well for the most part.  Their gatherings can really get hectic with the whole bunch in one place at one time though.  But it's fun.    

@CGrant56 I'm guessing the relationship.add_bit {yoursimID} {targetsimID} {relationshipBit} cheat would not work in this case either? About a month back I had suggested trying it in a similar situation where a Sim moved in with her fiance and her child from another marriage. It was marked as an accepted solution but I never really got any feedback other than that (I had also suggested trying MCCC).

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion-and-Feedback/Adopting-a-child-already-in-the-household/m-p/8545364#M20026

Btw- I never had Sims 2 when I was younger but I do remember Daniel and Mary-Sue Pleasant being newlyweds in Sims 3. I sorta made them break up & now that I realize they were supposed to have kids I am feeling a little guilty. Sorry Lilith & Angela!!! xD

@RandomBuzziness  I've never tried using that one so I don't know if it would work or not.  All the sims are still in my game though so I might just give it a try just to see if would make the family tree look right.  I don't like having those empty portraits.   Does that cheat work if the sims are in separate households?  The mothers are now in different households (one became a vampire sort of by accident thanks to MCCC's risky vampirism option and hooked up with another female vampire) and their daughter is a YA going into 2nd term at UBrite.  I tend to go with the flow when things like that happen in my game and don't reverse things when things like that happen very often.  I also have quite a few vampires now too. 🙂 

I loved 2 though.  It had it's strengths and weaknesses though. Was prone to crashes and boy, was it slow to load into the game if you had a lot of cc.  But I really liked how you could build custom neighborhoods and create any kind of game environment and story lines you wanted and weren't locked into just what the devs provided.

@CGrant56 It should work for Sims in different households but I don't know if you'll still get that same issue where as soon as you make one Sim the mom, the other becomes something else. If MCCC internally uses this cheat to add/modify relationships then it probably won't work either, but I'm only guessing here.

https://simsvip.com/sims-4-cheats-codes/#Relationships

Our playing styles are very different! I am a total control freak when it comes to my Sims & other townies. xD It's awesome what you've done with these families though!

I would have loved to try Sims 2 but my parents were against me playing anything outside of console versions. The only games I had were Sims Bustin' Out for XBox and then later Sims 3 for XBox 360. By the time I was old enough to buy whatever I wanted I went with Sims 3. I started playing Sims 4 about 8 months ago (thanks to my Sims 4 bestie @finelinetracksix love ya heaps!) & I still do not have all the packs but I'm getting there ;-D

@RandomBuzziness  Yeah, I'm pretty sure our playing styles are pretty different.  But I play lots of ways and try to play most of the features in the game since they're there.  I can micromanage a household with the best of them, and used to do that a lot and hardly ever leave the home lot but it realized it was becoming a grind and I wasn't really enjoying the game as much so now I've stopped doing that so much and experiment with the different things the game offers and I've been having a lot of fun doing that.  I'm also finding new things I've never seen before too even some things from base game that I never knew were there even.  Little things mostly, that are like finding a hidden easter egg surprise like a lot of games have in them.  And there are still some big things I haven't tried like owning a business or restaurant.  Haven't played a single pet yet either.  I play a lot of households too.  Most days I load the game and unless there is something specific I want to do, I'll just usually just pick a random household.  Some times it's just for an ingame day or week, sometimes it's for a season and sometimes its for a whole year.  And sometimes it's just to reach a specific event like an age up or max out a career.  And some days, I'll create a new household with one or two sims and play them for a while.  Really just depends on what I feel like doing at the time. 

And I do things just for fun to see it the game will do it.  On one save, I wanted to see if vampires could take over the world.  Started with the 3 Vampires premades in the same household going through the Vampire aspirations and with MCCC's story progression and risky vampirism options on.  Set the game for short lifespan and allowed the game to move NPCs in houses too.  After turning the 15 vampires you need to complete the Vampire Family aspiration and only just using a bite to feed and keep those three alive after that, I basically set the game on high speed most of the time and let it run.  And the answer is ……Yes they can!  And it was just amazing how fast it happened too.  Filled up every single residential lot in every world I had at the time with vampires.  Probably would take longer now though with all the worlds that have been added since I did it.  Of course that save was good for nothing after that and I deleted it but it was kinda fun.

It's a shame you can't play Sims 2 unless you can find the old CDs on ebay or at a garage sale or something.  And it's no longer being given away in the EA store either.  They stopped that back in late 2018 I think it was from a post I read over at the main site.  I do have Busting out for one of consoles though.  It was fun in it's own way but way different than the Sims 2 on PC.

@CGrant56 I remember in the XBox 360 version of Sims 3 Pets where my cat also decided to take over the world. He did not get as far in his quest as your vampires did. In the end he decided it was too much work and instead settled for napping on the most comfortable couch in town as being close enough. Typical cat! xD

Yeah, there are lots of ways to play Sims 4 but I think every way is the right way as long as you are having fun! I usually pick one Sim as my "me" Sim and I will play her as my character, just as I would in a game like Skyrim or Fallout (oops sorry EA, I meant to say Mass Effect! I still love ya!). This way I can focus on her and control everything she does, though I do let whims influence her decisions. This is what I meant when I say I'm a control freak. I prefer to let the game control everyone else in her household as NPCs. This is why I love having roommates and pets and clubs for NPC families! I do like to control how the townies look and dress, how & when they age up, etc., so I'm very happy the game allows me to do that (the other aspect of me being a control freak). I have several saves as I like to have my various "me" Sims live in different worlds, have different looks, styles, and traits, and try out different careers and aspirations. To generally live their lives in very different ways.

So yeah I guess my style of play is more like traditional old-school video game but I can't think of any game that allows me to play like this better than Sims 4. See EA? I told you I still love you ;-D

@RandomBuzziness  LOL!  That cat's name wouldn't be Garfield by chance?

I agree with you completely.  You hit the nail on the head.  There is no "wrong way" to play this game.  The main strength of the game allows everyone to play it the way they want to.  Compared to the games you mentioned which are all good games too, each in their own way, the Sims games offer something those don't.  There is no beginning and no end.   There are no goals you have to do to proceed to the next level really.  No XP to earn.   The player gets to choose what goals he/she wants to pursue and play in their own way.  By how we pick traits and such we can tailor our sims to our own tastes which vary widely.  And this game is meant to played for as long as the player want to play the game and that can be for years.

Anyway, I think we're straying way off topic now so probably ought to end this for the moment.  I've enjoyed the conversation here with you and I'm sure we'll have other exchanges.

Hey, no worries! I stay very on-topic on the bug reports side but if they didn't want us to generally discuss Sims 4, then they should not have created a General Discussion area in a Sims 4 forum! xD I usually learn more about the game when things get a little bit OT anyway. Let me know if you ever get a chance to try that relationship.add_bit cheat or if I can re-create the issue in one of my saves then I will give it a go.

P.S. I think the cat's name was Midnight and I was using the Karma Powers in Sims 3 Pets to pretend my Sim was a witch with Midnight as her familiar. Be mean to my Sim and you might find an asteroid falling on your head! xDDD