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- SnaveXs4 years agoSeasoned AceThis just changes how the player read the text notifications. What about the gameplay. How about a sim going to the hospital to get gender reassignment surgery and they should be able to bring a friend for support.
I use the LGBT mod to experience coming out. Through gameplay. - GalacticGal4 years agoLegend
"Peppers;c-18039187" wrote:
I meant of course, that not everyone feels the need to display their pronouns. If this is something that people want to do, it is fine by me. But that does not mean everyone has to participate!
Oh, I do hope you're right about that. I really hate the term sis gender. - LatinaBunny4 years agoSeasoned AceI accept and welcome the pronouns concept/idea, but the pronouns in the live mode pop-up over the head would make it look a bit cluttered/wordy, or kind of awkward in placement. I would think it would be better placed within the sims sim-personality tab menu thingie or whatever….?
Not sure if townies would have this as well? Could there be a toggle for this, perhaps? "GalacticGal;c-18039957" wrote:
"Peppers;c-18039187" wrote:
I meant of course, that not everyone feels the need to display their pronouns. If this is something that people want to do, it is fine by me. But that does not mean everyone has to participate!
Oh, I do hope you're right about that. I really hate the term sis gender.
It's cisgender.- permanentrose5374 years agoSeasoned AceI think this is a great option for people who want to make sims who feel a bit more customizable. I personally love including sims of varying sexual orientations and gender identities in my game because it makes my world just feel such much more fleshed out and diverse.
- I just read a tweet reply from Russkii that said “It would be optional yes. You can interact with or not.” If that’s the case, then why doesn’t the company just officially say that to everyone and put an end to angry debates happening across media sites? I don’t understand why not. A few months ago I was browsing the gallery for Maxis Sims and I found so many hateful comments on a trans Sim in the gallery. Someone replied that he was a trans teen and all the hateful comments were making him want to kill himself.
The way the company is handling the update, with vague, unconfirmed details, is generating hostile attention to a small minority that has a very high rate of depression and suicide and that experiences a lot of harassment and bullying. More then 65% of trans teens experience suicidal thoughts and they have a suicide rate twice as high as other lgbtq minorities. As a teen this game gave me so much joy and happiness and that comment really broke my heart. Please confirm officially if it is going to be optional or not to end backlash and incitement of bullying or harassment of trans teen players online. It's not everywhere there is forum moderators like here and teens get bullied usually on their own accounts.
The company has always pushed boundaries and tried to be inclusive, it's part of their company history and it's really cool to be part of that as a player, but they have also listened to feedback and made changes for us and I'm sure even though they want to push boundaries, I highly doubt they want to push their majority core players so far out of their comfort zone that they don't feel like playing anymore. They have never done that in the past. For example, all the men's skirts created recently was in an optional kit and even included some standard pieces like the denim suit, trousers and plain shoes for everyone to enjoy. Most important thing is just to voice your opinion of what you would like or not like and how it might impact your gameplay.
If you choose to use it, I hope they will not make it highly visible in the gameplay, like as depicted in the screenshots showing floating above their heads, because in reality, even though you may share your pronouns for communication purposes, doesn't mean they are permanently floating above your head. I didn't see the gurus' pronouns written across their foreheads during the livestream. It would make more sense if it was in the Sim Profile like where the marital status, traits are.
As for where it is located in CAS, I don't mind at all how they set it up in CAS, but I know many players are sensitive to CAS. There are so many mods even adjusting the lighting, adding backdrops, dressers and mirrors, etc. Also language and names are very important to one’s identity, whereas pronouns are kind of new, we can't add our ethnicity, race, nationality, religion, or sexuality beside the name and pronouns to me seem more about communication then identity, so maybe they should consider the feedback and move it to the side so as it's less upsetting for people who can't add other identification, feel confronted by it, or just think it's cluttered there at the top. I don't mind personally, because CAS is just where everything is to customize my Sim, it doesn't really matter how it looks to me, but I do have the mod that adds 4 columns in the clothing menu, so I really hope it won't break that one. This is a popular mod, so if it does impact it, then I hope they will update the columns for the game themselves. I would prefer not to use a mod to get more CAS columns.
I would also like a T-Shirt with the He/Him, She/Her, They/Them pronouns on the T-Shirt because I think that would be cool. They have similarly made rainbow pride T-Shirts. Mostly I would like some art paintings by a Trans artist with the update. :smile: I like to play the Heckings and enjoy having the Pride art objects to decorate their house with. I also love Paka'a Uha and always add him in a house in Sulani. Some new cool art objects and paintings from a Trans artist would be nice to decorate Paka'a’s home especially island type objects because most of the trans premades live in Sulani. - atreya334 years agoLegendI hope this isn't constantly visible in live mode. I don't mind it in CAS and am happy for those who need it. In livemode it could be a question just like you can ask a sim for their career and then have it displayed in a pop up and in the sim profile.
Is there anything said about whether or not these pronouns are available for random created Sims? If the game generates new townies not everyone wants or needs townies to use they/them. I hope this can be set in the options so everyone can choose for themselves. Personally I prefer to play with sims with the traditional male and female gender so I hope that is still possible. I don't want to take away the option for non binary townies for those who need this. I just want it to be optional. - Everything looks good so far! The "custom" option was a nice surprise and will be good for those who have specific neo pronoun preferences.
I imagine generated townies will either be strictly binary-only options (she/her or he/him) or (and hopefully) be percentage or RNG based and it's just randomized people. - Sthenastia4 years agoSeasoned AceNow I see that more people have noticed that trend. EA try to make the game more inclusive because the customers want to receive this, so our sims are more and more neutral and customizable. In another hand to not offend anyone, TS4 has no sexual orientation, all of the interactions are safe and neutral etc. Due to that the same part of community tell that TS4 is boring and has no drama or gameplay. Sorry but TS1-TS3 was more restricted and less inclusive and a lot of people tell that those games were better than TS4. Do you remember the drama on twitter when dazed sims could have a children even if they don't like them? I totally don't understand one thing. People expect from TS4 to be a safe space but they also expect more jucy gameplay. If EA wants to implement something more spicy, then the same people complains and making dramas. In general I support the inclusivity but I also want to have deeper gampelay. I want to add my sims sexual orientation, chemistry, preferences ect. It means that I want to give my sims the part of character which they can not get right now to not offend anyone. Let's be honest. Every of us has own preferences, even if you are in the minority. This update will be an interesting step forward, but you will see that a week after that the community will complain about the boring gameplay and sims with their fish personality.
- https://twitter.com/SimGuruDuck/status/1483531609173204992?t=CjkEvnDgFUNZkYVqDUNwww&s=19
https://twitter.com/mitchiek2/status/1483532044059742210?t=AFrvBpOxdNTMS2X5JJFnCw&s=19
https://twitter.com/SimGuruRusskii/status/1483546205280178176?t=jf1x8crOSAsiVIWX9sWiLA&s=19
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