The Sims 4 will continue into 2018!

"Erpe;c-15728544" wrote:

"Triplis;c-15728498" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15728447" wrote:
This isn't true at all. I play several MMOs. But they aren't made by the same company or even in the same country. They are made by developers and companies in the US, Australia, Russia and other countries. So no, they aren't made by the same devs at all.

I don't know why you would choose to refute the point in such an indefensible way. Of course talent gets shifted around sometimes. Why would you even argue that? If you'd told me, "Maybe it happens sometimes, but it doesn't account for much," that would be a much more difficult point for me to debate, as I don't have hard numbers on hand.

Movies are made by different companies and in different countries too, but it's always different actors every time, right?

Did you miss the point? I answered a message that claimed that different MMO games are so similar because they are made by the same developers. But why would Boolat games in Russia have the same developers as EA Firemonkeys in Australia? Why would EA's developers in Redwood be the same as EA's developers in San Francisco or in Helsinki?

You can find Tower Defence games made by many different game companies in many different countries and I agree that they are so similar that it is quite boring to try playing new games of that type. But they sure aren't so similar because they are made by the same developers. The reason therefore just is that they copy each other's ideas as i wrote. The same can be observed with several other types of MMO games

I think you have missed the point. You can see the handy work of game developers if you pay attention. I can't speak for MMOs since I despise them and don't play them but the person said these people move around from company to company and this is very true. Take for instance EA's Frank Gibeau who was their hardline Mobile king who wouldn't green light any project unless it has some sort of online player participation requirement. He is now over at Zynga where he may give Sims Free Play a run for it's money. Since EA and Zynga often sue each other and accuse each other of stealing each other's ideas. But the point I'm making is you will see some of his influence there and think to yourself that reminds me of something in EA games. It would only be natural. Some of EA's top people left to start their own mobile games so don't be surprised if something you see in one game reminds you of something that was a feature in another. These people do take with them their own style and if you read credits on game endings you might say, oh, yeah, I knew there was something familiar about this or that.

"Cinebar;c-15729165" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15728544" wrote:

"Triplis;c-15728498" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15728447" wrote:
This isn't true at all. I play several MMOs. But they aren't made by the same company or even in the same country. They are made by developers and companies in the US, Australia, Russia and other countries. So no, they aren't made by the same devs at all.

I don't know why you would choose to refute the point in such an indefensible way. Of course talent gets shifted around sometimes. Why would you even argue that? If you'd told me, "Maybe it happens sometimes, but it doesn't account for much," that would be a much more difficult point for me to debate, as I don't have hard numbers on hand.

Movies are made by different companies and in different countries too, but it's always different actors every time, right?

Did you miss the point? I answered a message that claimed that different MMO games are so similar because they are made by the same developers. But why would Boolat games in Russia have the same developers as EA Firemonkeys in Australia? Why would EA's developers in Redwood be the same as EA's developers in San Francisco or in Helsinki?

You can find Tower Defence games made by many different game companies in many different countries and I agree that they are so similar that it is quite boring to try playing new games of that type. But they sure aren't so similar because they are made by the same developers. The reason therefore just is that they copy each other's ideas as i wrote. The same can be observed with several other types of MMO games

I think you have missed the point. You can see the handy work of game developers if you pay attention. I can't speak for MMOs since I despise them and don't play them but the person said these people move around from company to company and this is very true. Take for instance EA's Frank Gibeau who was their hardline Mobile king who wouldn't green light any project unless it has some sort of online player participation requirement. He is now over at Zynga where he may give Sims Free Play a run for it's money. Since EA and Zynga often sue each other and accuse each other of stealing each other's ideas. But the point I'm making is you will see some of his influence there and think to yourself that reminds me of something in EA games. It would only be natural. Some of EA's top people left to start their own mobile games so don't be surprised if something you see in one game reminds you of something that was a feature in another. These people do take with them their own style and if you read credits on game endings you might say, oh, yeah, I knew there was something familiar about this or that.

Zynga specializes in card games (solitaire, poker etc.) and slots games. Besides that they have the Farmville games. But not much else. So I can't see them as competitors to EA who usually doesn't have such games at all?

The Sims Freeplay doesn't really have any competition just like the other Sims games don't have it either.

But if you were interested in MMO games you would especially notice all the many Clash of Clans clones which all are just varitations of the original Clash of Clan games although all the clones are made by other companies from all parts of the world. There are a few other types of free MMO games which also exists as clones of eachother. The Candy Crush type of games are just an example of this too.

"Erpe;c-15724636" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;c-15724439" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15724100" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-15722424" wrote:
Found this post (that was copied and pasted on the forums here a while ago:

http://i.imgur.com/nr8xHYl.png

According to this Olympus wasn't a practicle joke, it was real alright. But it wasn't the original Sims 4, Sims 4 had code name Icarus.

Why do you believe this guessing from somebody else???

You can find lots of guesses. Almost all of them just believed Patrick Kelly because he was supposed to have worked in EA. But if you want to document something then you need to actually find statements instead from EA. Statement from naive persons who just believed Patrick Kelly's practical joke don't prove anything :)

And I reiterate; so the people who listed The Sims 4 "as an online game" on their professional portfolios were just playing a practical joke?

I don't agree with the picture they posted because it's a whole lot of nonsense inspired by someone's desire to deny information that's been around for years now. However, I do believe previous employees who have listed it as an online game at the early stages of its development.

The only earlier employee who listed it as an online game was (afaik) Patrick Kelly which I don't believe because it is obvious to me that the pictures he gave us were pictures from his modified version of TS2 for consoles. All other persons were just naive simmers who trusted Patrick Kelly because they believe that even the employees in EA who only make coffeee know everything about EA and all EA's games and decisions. (It has never worked that way in companies where I have worked myself btw.)

Simmers seem generally to be very naive and have a high belief even in people with tiny authority. But they rarely know anything about the way computers and their software work. (I am a highschool teacher in mathematics and computer science which probably is why it seems that way to me.)

Patrick Kelly had left EA in 2013 when he posted his "information" and videos and I doubt that he even ever had worked on the Sims 4. The TS2 for consoles was multiplayer too btw which no other versions of TS2 were.

Here is a blog with a compilation of Olympus info:
http://honeywellsims4news.tumblr.com/post/63437610043/more-corroboration-for-patrick-kelly-the-sims-4


Please read that over and let me know how the practical joke idea sounds. When multiple former employees list it as previously an internet based game you have to just take it for what it is, a game that was originally intended and designed to be an online multiplayer game.

"drake_mccarty;c-15730220" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15724636" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;c-15724439" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15724100" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-15722424" wrote:
Found this post (that was copied and pasted on the forums here a while ago:

http://i.imgur.com/nr8xHYl.png

According to this Olympus wasn't a practicle joke, it was real alright. But it wasn't the original Sims 4, Sims 4 had code name Icarus.

Why do you believe this guessing from somebody else???

You can find lots of guesses. Almost all of them just believed Patrick Kelly because he was supposed to have worked in EA. But if you want to document something then you need to actually find statements instead from EA. Statement from naive persons who just believed Patrick Kelly's practical joke don't prove anything :)

And I reiterate; so the people who listed The Sims 4 "as an online game" on their professional portfolios were just playing a practical joke?

I don't agree with the picture they posted because it's a whole lot of nonsense inspired by someone's desire to deny information that's been around for years now. However, I do believe previous employees who have listed it as an online game at the early stages of its development.

The only earlier employee who listed it as an online game was (afaik) Patrick Kelly which I don't believe because it is obvious to me that the pictures he gave us were pictures from his modified version of TS2 for consoles. All other persons were just naive simmers who trusted Patrick Kelly because they believe that even the employees in EA who only make coffeee know everything about EA and all EA's games and decisions. (It has never worked that way in companies where I have worked myself btw.)

Simmers seem generally to be very naive and have a high belief even in people with tiny authority. But they rarely know anything about the way computers and their software work. (I am a highschool teacher in mathematics and computer science which probably is why it seems that way to me.)

Patrick Kelly had left EA in 2013 when he posted his "information" and videos and I doubt that he even ever had worked on the Sims 4. The TS2 for consoles was multiplayer too btw which no other versions of TS2 were.

Here is a blog with a compilation of Olympus info:
http://honeywellsims4news.tumblr.com/post/63437610043/more-corroboration-for-patrick-kelly-the-sims-4


Please read that over and let me know how the practical joke idea sounds. When multiple former employees list it as previously an internet based game you have to just take it for what it is, a game that was originally intended and designed to be an online multiplayer game.

It still shows the video which obviously isn't from TS4 but instead from the old TS2 for consoles game which we already know that Patrick Kelly worked on (and which was the only version of TS2 which was multiplayer too).

There is a link to Grant Rodiek's interview where he talks about something else and says that they don't want to be pulled in too many directions because the multitasking isn't so hard to make. He doesn't at all say that they worked on a completely different game earlier. So nothing points in the direction that they did.

So we still have no confirmation of any of Patrick Kelly's statements from anybody in EA. We also know that EA is a company which always want to use its money as efficiently as possible and which closes down studios for much smaller reasons then working on a project which had to be discarded completely. So Patrick Kelly's statesments are in extreme conflict with the way EA's studios work. He used a falsified video to make it likely. He released material which according to himself was confidential and which therefore could have meant he would have been forced by EA to pay many millions of dollars to EA for releasing it - which again shows that it probably wasn't confidential at all because it wasn't about EA's future game but instead about old abandonware ;)

What wonders most is that nobody has asked either a top producer in Maxis or a top manager in EA about Patrick Kelly's statements?

Why not ask a producer: "Is it true that you earlier worked on a mulitiplayer version of TS4 which was abandoned after problems with SimCity 2013?"

Why not ask a top manager in EA: "Did you really work on a multiplayer version of TS4 which then was completely abandoned like your earlier employee Patrick Kelly said?"

I don't mean her in the forum. But why didn't newsmedias such as IGN ask such questions?

And why didn't any producer in Maxis comment? My guess clearly is that all such comments would be about confidential stuff that they weren't allowed to talk about. But why did Patrick Kelly then? Didn't he sign the same documents about not releasing confidential materiel without permission? If so was it because he actually never worked on TS4?

"Erpe;c-15730266" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;c-15730220" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15724636" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;c-15724439" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15724100" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-15722424" wrote:
Found this post (that was copied and pasted on the forums here a while ago:

http://i.imgur.com/nr8xHYl.png

According to this Olympus wasn't a practicle joke, it was real alright. But it wasn't the original Sims 4, Sims 4 had code name Icarus.

Why do you believe this guessing from somebody else???

You can find lots of guesses. Almost all of them just believed Patrick Kelly because he was supposed to have worked in EA. But if you want to document something then you need to actually find statements instead from EA. Statement from naive persons who just believed Patrick Kelly's practical joke don't prove anything :)

And I reiterate; so the people who listed The Sims 4 "as an online game" on their professional portfolios were just playing a practical joke?

I don't agree with the picture they posted because it's a whole lot of nonsense inspired by someone's desire to deny information that's been around for years now. However, I do believe previous employees who have listed it as an online game at the early stages of its development.

The only earlier employee who listed it as an online game was (afaik) Patrick Kelly which I don't believe because it is obvious to me that the pictures he gave us were pictures from his modified version of TS2 for consoles. All other persons were just naive simmers who trusted Patrick Kelly because they believe that even the employees in EA who only make coffeee know everything about EA and all EA's games and decisions. (It has never worked that way in companies where I have worked myself btw.)

Simmers seem generally to be very naive and have a high belief even in people with tiny authority. But they rarely know anything about the way computers and their software work. (I am a highschool teacher in mathematics and computer science which probably is why it seems that way to me.)

Patrick Kelly had left EA in 2013 when he posted his "information" and videos and I doubt that he even ever had worked on the Sims 4. The TS2 for consoles was multiplayer too btw which no other versions of TS2 were.

Here is a blog with a compilation of Olympus info:
http://honeywellsims4news.tumblr.com/post/63437610043/more-corroboration-for-patrick-kelly-the-sims-4


Please read that over and let me know how the practical joke idea sounds. When multiple former employees list it as previously an internet based game you have to just take it for what it is, a game that was originally intended and designed to be an online multiplayer game.

It still shows the video which obviously isn't from TS4 but instead from the old TS2 for consoles game which we already know that Patrick Kelly worked on (and which was the only version of TS2 which was multiplayer too).

There is a link to Grant Rodiek's interview where he talks about something else and says that they don't want to be pulled in too many directions because the multitasking isn't so hard to make. He doesn't at all say that they worked on a completely different game earlier. So nothing points in the direction that they did.

So we still have no confirmation of any of Patrick Kelly's statements from anybody in EA. We also know that EA is a company which always want to use its money as efficiently as possible and which closes down studios for much smaller reasons then working on a project which had to be discarded completely. So Patrick Kelly's statesments are in extreme conflict with the way EA's studios work. He used a falsified video to make it likely. He released material which according to himself was confidential and which therefore could have meant he would have been forced by EA to pay many millions of dollars to EA for releasing it - which again shows that it probably wasn't confidential at all because it wasn't about EA's future game but instead about old abandonware ;)

What wonders most is that nobody has asked either a top producer in Maxis or a top manager in EA about Patrick Kelly's statements?

Why not ask a producer: "Is it true that you earlier worked on a mulitiplayer version of TS4 which was abandoned after problems with SimCity 2013?"

Why not ask a top manager in EA: "Did you really work on a multiplayer version of TS4 which then was completely abandoned like your earlier employee Patrick Kelly said?"

I don't mean her in the forum. But why didn't newsmedias such as IGN ask such questions?

And why didn't any producer in Maxis comment? My guess clearly is that all such comments would be about confidential stuff that they weren't allowed to talk about. But why did Patrick Kelly then? Didn't he sign the same documents about not releasing confidential materiel without permission? If so was it because he actually never worked on TS4?

You are making no sense whatsoever, and as a result I'm done. I don't have time to argue with someone so dense. You obviously did not read the link, and if you did I don't know how you took anything you said away from it.

"drake_mccarty;c-15730546" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15730266" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;c-15730220" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15724636" wrote:

"drake_mccarty;c-15724439" wrote:

"Erpe;c-15724100" wrote:

"JoAnne65;c-15722424" wrote:
Found this post (that was copied and pasted on the forums here a while ago:

http://i.imgur.com/nr8xHYl.png

According to this Olympus wasn't a practicle joke, it was real alright. But it wasn't the original Sims 4, Sims 4 had code name Icarus.

Why do you believe this guessing from somebody else???

You can find lots of guesses. Almost all of them just believed Patrick Kelly because he was supposed to have worked in EA. But if you want to document something then you need to actually find statements instead from EA. Statement from naive persons who just believed Patrick Kelly's practical joke don't prove anything :)

And I reiterate; so the people who listed The Sims 4 "as an online game" on their professional portfolios were just playing a practical joke?

I don't agree with the picture they posted because it's a whole lot of nonsense inspired by someone's desire to deny information that's been around for years now. However, I do believe previous employees who have listed it as an online game at the early stages of its development.

The only earlier employee who listed it as an online game was (afaik) Patrick Kelly which I don't believe because it is obvious to me that the pictures he gave us were pictures from his modified version of TS2 for consoles. All other persons were just naive simmers who trusted Patrick Kelly because they believe that even the employees in EA who only make coffeee know everything about EA and all EA's games and decisions. (It has never worked that way in companies where I have worked myself btw.)

Simmers seem generally to be very naive and have a high belief even in people with tiny authority. But they rarely know anything about the way computers and their software work. (I am a highschool teacher in mathematics and computer science which probably is why it seems that way to me.)

Patrick Kelly had left EA in 2013 when he posted his "information" and videos and I doubt that he even ever had worked on the Sims 4. The TS2 for consoles was multiplayer too btw which no other versions of TS2 were.

Here is a blog with a compilation of Olympus info:
http://honeywellsims4news.tumblr.com/post/63437610043/more-corroboration-for-patrick-kelly-the-sims-4


Please read that over and let me know how the practical joke idea sounds. When multiple former employees list it as previously an internet based game you have to just take it for what it is, a game that was originally intended and designed to be an online multiplayer game.

It still shows the video which obviously isn't from TS4 but instead from the old TS2 for consoles game which we already know that Patrick Kelly worked on (and which was the only version of TS2 which was multiplayer too).

There is a link to Grant Rodiek's interview where he talks about something else and says that they don't want to be pulled in too many directions because the multitasking isn't so hard to make. He doesn't at all say that they worked on a completely different game earlier. So nothing points in the direction that they did.

So we still have no confirmation of any of Patrick Kelly's statements from anybody in EA. We also know that EA is a company which always want to use its money as efficiently as possible and which closes down studios for much smaller reasons then working on a project which had to be discarded completely. So Patrick Kelly's statesments are in extreme conflict with the way EA's studios work. He used a falsified video to make it likely. He released material which according to himself was confidential and which therefore could have meant he would have been forced by EA to pay many millions of dollars to EA for releasing it - which again shows that it probably wasn't confidential at all because it wasn't about EA's future game but instead about old abandonware ;)

What wonders most is that nobody has asked either a top producer in Maxis or a top manager in EA about Patrick Kelly's statements?

Why not ask a producer: "Is it true that you earlier worked on a mulitiplayer version of TS4 which was abandoned after problems with SimCity 2013?"

Why not ask a top manager in EA: "Did you really work on a multiplayer version of TS4 which then was completely abandoned like your earlier employee Patrick Kelly said?"

I don't mean her in the forum. But why didn't newsmedias such as IGN ask such questions?

And why didn't any producer in Maxis comment? My guess clearly is that all such comments would be about confidential stuff that they weren't allowed to talk about. But why did Patrick Kelly then? Didn't he sign the same documents about not releasing confidential materiel without permission? If so was it because he actually never worked on TS4?

You are making no sense whatsoever, and as a result I'm done. I don't have time to argue with someone so dense. You obviously did not read the link, and if you did I don't know how you took anything you said away from it.

I read the link. But I still don't know what you wanted me to see in that link?

@Erpe
So Patrick Kelly made a video, and then managed to convince coworkers to add mentions of online content on their linkedin, convince artists to make concept arts that look like his joke video, and engineers to add easter eggs in the code along with some multiplayer support to the game to fit his joke video, and all that because he was bored ?

And that's the most likely explanation for you ? And still you wonder why people are sceptic and doubtful ? (while at the same time saying they are naive because they believe people with tiny authority :D) Are you really considering yourself higher authority on the matter than EA employees ? Do you believe that with your authority of a math teacher, you're going to convince people there was a widespread conspiracy to fake an online part that involved lots of people at Maxis ?

"Neia;c-15730594" wrote:
@Erpe
So Patrick Kelly made a video, and then managed to convince coworkers to add mentions of online content on their linkedin, convince artists to make concept arts that look like his joke video, and engineers to add easter eggs in the code along with some multiplayer support to the game to fit his joke video, and all that because he was bored ?

Which coworkers??
The problem is exactly that no coworkers confirmed his statements. But people give me links to statements from some simmers who never worked for EA but only seemed to believe that even though Patrick Kelly only had an ordinary job as a helper for the developers of earlier EA games and had left EA that Patrick Kelly still knew what he was talking about. Patrick Kelly's only documentation were some primitive videos which he claimed to have from an unknown Olympus project which he thought was some earlier version of TS4. But knowbody in EA or Maxis ever confirmed this.

And that's the most likely explanation for you ? And still you wonder why people are sceptic and doubtful ? (while at the same time saying they are naive because they believe people with tiny authority :D) Are you really considering yourself higher authority on the matter than EA employees ? Do you believe that with your authority of a math teacher, you're going to convince people there was a widespread conspiracy to fake an online part that involved lots of people at Maxis ?

People in this forum believe anything from any employee in EA because they apparently think that all EA's 8,500 employees are bosses with unlimited access to all information about EA and EA's projects. But in the forum on modthesims.com people were very sceptical already from the beginning. You can see for yourself if you logon and read the long Patrick Kelly thread from 2013.

The page on Reddit which I was given as a link also doesn't confirm anything because it only is a report about Patrick Kelly and his statements. It doesn't at all attempt to judge if his statements or videos are believable or not.

@Erpe
Which coworkers?? -> The ones in the link provided by @drake_mccarty you said you had read for example.

"Erpe;c-15730689" wrote:

"Neia;c-15730594" wrote:
@Erpe
So Patrick Kelly made a video, and then managed to convince coworkers to add mentions of online content on their linkedin, convince artists to make concept arts that look like his joke video, and engineers to add easter eggs in the code along with some multiplayer support to the game to fit his joke video, and all that because he was bored ?

Which coworkers??
The problem is exactly that no coworkers confirmed his statements. But people give me links to statements from some simmers who never worked for EA but only seemed to believe that even though Patrick Kelly only had an ordinary job as a helper for the developers of earlier EA games and had left EA that Patrick Kelly still knew what he was talking about. Patrick Kelly's only documentation were some primitive videos which he claimed to have from an unknown Olympus project which he thought was some earlier version of TS4. But knowbody in EA or Maxis ever confirmed this.

And that's the most likely explanation for you ? And still you wonder why people are sceptic and doubtful ? (while at the same time saying they are naive because they believe people with tiny authority :D) Are you really considering yourself higher authority on the matter than EA employees ? Do you believe that with your authority of a math teacher, you're going to convince people there was a widespread conspiracy to fake an online part that involved lots of people at Maxis ?

People in this forum believe anything from any employee in EA because they apparently think that all EA's 8,500 employees are bosses with unlimited access to all information about EA and EA's projects. But in the forum on modthesims.com people were very sceptical already from the beginning. You can see for yourself if you logon and read the long Patrick Kelly thread from 2013.

The page on Reddit which I was given as a link also doesn't confirm anything because it only is a report about Patrick Kelly and his statements. It doesn't at all attempt to judge if his statements or videos are believable or not.

I don't believe everything Maxis or EA says. My track record on these forums should make that pretty clear. The link I provided for you has been heavily scrutinized and all of the information was gathered from legitimate individuals who actually were attached to the project and listed it on their professional portfolios that other potential employers can see.

It's not a rumor, no matter how badly people want to believe that its just that; there's concrete evidence to say no it is factual that the game was originally planned and designed to be an online game