12 months ago
Native HMD OpenXR
For owners of headsets from Varjo, Pimax, HP and possibly others too their native OpenXR runtimes are not working correctly. Currently the only way for us to get the game running is by switching run...
For owners of headsets from Varjo, Pimax, HP and possibly others too their native OpenXR runtimes are not working correctly.
Currently the only way for us to get the game running is by switching runtimes and this is sub-optimal for performance. For me using a Pimax Crystal this can result in up to a 20% loss in performance. This also requires a dance of option changes between the different apps I run just to get WRC working and to get everything reset after use.
What I would hope is for OpenXR to not be specific to just Steam and Meta. Everything else I run that is OpenXR based works as expected with all OXR runtimes and layers.
For what it's worth here are my findings trying to use the native runtime for the Pimax Crystal: The game will start and menus etc in the floating theater show correctly, this actually runs 90fps compared to Steams XR which can be around 70fps and stuttery in this mode, native is far better for these theater modes. When a stage is started the hmd will switch into stereo 3D BUT will flicker between eyes and not react to head position movement with what looks like a window within a window.
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Currently the only way for us to get the game running is by switching runtimes and this is sub-optimal for performance. For me using a Pimax Crystal this can result in up to a 20% loss in performance. This also requires a dance of option changes between the different apps I run just to get WRC working and to get everything reset after use.
What I would hope is for OpenXR to not be specific to just Steam and Meta. Everything else I run that is OpenXR based works as expected with all OXR runtimes and layers.
For what it's worth here are my findings trying to use the native runtime for the Pimax Crystal: The game will start and menus etc in the floating theater show correctly, this actually runs 90fps compared to Steams XR which can be around 70fps and stuttery in this mode, native is far better for these theater modes. When a stage is started the hmd will switch into stereo 3D BUT will flicker between eyes and not react to head position movement with what looks like a window within a window.
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Native HMD OpenXR","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:8396028"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:8396017"},"body":"@J0bbee So i'll just note that OpenXR native implementation for Dell Visor works fine without SteamVR running, also I disagree with your assertion that an upscaler is vital - upscaling looks particularly bad in VR and you're better off reducing settings than attempting to rely on such things.","body@stringLength":"406","rawBody":"@J0bbee So i'll just note that OpenXR native implementation for Dell Visor works fine without SteamVR running, also I disagree with your assertion that an upscaler is vital - upscaling looks particularly bad in VR and you're better off reducing settings than attempting to rely on such 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Visor has a res of 1440x1440 per-eye is that right? this is very low by current standards and I can see why you might not need an upscaler but for the many of us it's vital for performance and get better results then purely reducing other settings specially with DLSS.
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@J0bbee wrote:@nbates66the Dell Visor has a res of 1440x1440 per-eye is that right? this is very low by current standards and I can see why you might not need an upscaler but for the many of us it's vital for performance and get better results then purely reducing other settings specially with DLSS.
1440x1440 is the native res but i don't tend to render that low, currently at around 2100x2100, in DR2.0 VR i didn't tend to go far beyond 2100x2100 and often lower so i think many of those wanting higher render res in VR are dreaming - if you decide to do so then you run with upscaling, likely bringing the horrible blurring and artifacts that brings.
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I'll leave you with a tip if you have a Nvidia RTX card and want to stay away from upscaling... try out DLAA for better AA then the games UE AA, needs to be forced via the driver, search for a guide.
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