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realitysquared
6 years ago

Re: The State of Citron

@chogath_player

I agree about the Naval Laser- it's only really good to use in PvE during a Boss Wave when that Boss is a good distance away from you and focused on someone else. In PvP I'd never use the thing myself.

I also agree with the heavy reliance on EMPeach and Spin Dash and as much as I love to shield other players I reserve that just for PvE and save the shield mainly for muself on the (very) rare occasion that I play Citron in PvP

I've also observed a number of newer players as Citron essentially basing their entire performance as the character by waiting out the cool down on Naval Laser and not bothering with EMPeach or Spin Dash and at least one newbie barely even fired his Juice Cannon.

I noticed that Super Brainz has an upgrade which raises his shield when you start the windup for throwing the Ultra Ball and I think Citron could greatly benefit from a cheap upgrade which raises your shield when you initiate the Naval Laser, or at least the general "stadard" ability to raise your shield at any time while firing it.

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  • spIash_damage's avatar
    spIash_damage
    6 years ago

    I disagree whole heartedly with shielding and firing for Citron unless other major nerfs are applied (to dash of 50% or more).

    The problem with Naval Laser isn’t the damage or firing concept that needs work, it’s the ability to end the laser, if you’re exposed to incoming enemy fire.

    Just my two cents but giving Citron the ability to ONE SHOT characters (with dash) ... is bad enough... give them the ability to dash and then throw up a shield during Naval Laser?  There goes Soldier, Scientist, Pirate, and most likely all other characters caught off guard by the inaudible dash.

    I think more people need to play Battle Aren and Team Vanquish to truly understand the balance of these characters.  Sure a little drop off is needed for some but speaking for Citron, solely, he’s very near being at a good point I just don’t think shielding while shooting is the answer ( @realitysquared ) ...

  • Pheesley's avatar
    Pheesley
    6 years ago

    I was just thinking that naval laser should have shield when active too! It would make so much more sense on citron. Naval Laser just feels really situational. I like to use it to suppress enemies but it just leaves you so vulnerable. 

    I'm not sure if it should be an upgrade. Naval laser already leaves you pretty vulnerable. Maybe it should be apart of the ability by default and it only shields Citron, no one else. With Naval Laser, Citron gets more range, but can't defend his team mates as well when its active. Balancing more offense with less defense?

  • Pheesley's avatar
    Pheesley
    6 years ago

    @spIash_damage I just read your post. You make a good point about Naval Laser. Giving the Opiton to cancel Naval Laser is actually a great idea! It's a great way to balance Naval Laser without making things complicated

  • ippig's avatar
    ippig
    6 years ago

    @spIash_damageWhat damage is dash dealing? I never had the feeling of it being op. Compared to All Star Citron is just a bad joke. I know that it is hard to compare certain classes due to different abilities but Citron is not near being somewhat op. I would not mind to shield Naval Laser without any nerfs. There is a reason why nobody wants to play Citron.

    Edit: damaging the shield while Naval Laser is active could reduce the Lasers duration.

  • realitysquared's avatar
    realitysquared
    6 years ago
    @spIash_damage I would agree that the ability to cancel the Naval Laser would be great and would solve a lot of the vulnerability issues with using it and if they were to allow you to cancel it making that mechanic part of raising your shield would make some sense.
  • spIash_damage's avatar
    spIash_damage
    6 years ago
    @ippig wrote:

    @spIash_damageWhat damage is dash dealing? I never had the feeling of it being op. Compared to All Star Citron is just a bad joke. I know that it is hard to compare certain classes due to different abilities but Citron is not near being somewhat op. I would not mind to shield Naval Laser without any nerfs. There is a reason why nobody wants to play Citron.

    Edit: damaging the shield while Naval Laser is active could reduce the Lasers duration.

    The dash deals 75 hp now (one shot Imps).

    Agreed but a proficient upgrade to his shield would change that (comparing Citron to All Star).

    I just need to make a video of the potential of Citron.  Team play is more vital in BA than most any mode I’ve played in any game and that’s what’s caused me to realize the power of Citron (as is).  I can attack or support with him.  

    EDIT: @realitysquared  the ability to pull up shield/cancel laser would be a good place to start.  I just saw your reply.

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