Getting CPU temps down is definitely a good thing, but I'm not sure that is related to the 60FPS lock... But that definitely is some good tips for CPU load; I just don't want EA to think that the players found some workaround for the 60fps-lock bug such that they don't have to work as hard on it. 😉
60FPS lock remains... and if it gives any additional impetus to you folks over at EA/Motive, someone with a Nvidia 30 series card should be getting WAY more than 60 fps; not needing to artificially limit their graphics card's power.
@WarGravy00 wrote:
@ManolocoxYeah but for a lot of us a workaround was needed to play the game, the cpu temperatures were dangerously high.
I understand, could be a different problem altogether or a problem linked to this one, but for you the consequences of running the game seem to be worse, with danger of damaging your hardware, it might be helpful for you to make another thread about your particular bug besides the post you made here, and follow both.
good luck in both cases and hope you don't damage your pc, i dont know if you made a mistake (typo) when you typed 3070, since those are not out yet or were making a joke, since that was not clear to me i just replied taking into consideration the thread objective.
any news on when this will be fixed?
not playing this game until it is
This will NOT be fixed...UNLESS they re-engineer it just for PC, at an early point in development someone decided they didn't want Little Johnny puking up after playing this on his PlayStation VR, so they developed the game engine tick rate to run at 30/60 to accommodate PS-VR perfectly, (I've tried it & even though horribly low-rez solid smooth frame rate & no motion sickness) unlike my Rift-S & RTX2080 (soon to be Reverb G2 & RTX3080 JUST for this title!!!!) Is there any other x-platform VR between PS & PC?? if so what's it like on PC? I AM GUTTED BY THIS.....JUST REFUNDING ISNT ENOUGH FOR ME....
Yeah it's a real bummer, I've seen countless threads on both run up to release and post release where people have talked about what they have bought specifically for this game, new GPUs and VR headsets being the most talked about.
I own some decent hardware myself but it was not purchased specifically for this title, however, I imagined for months pre-launch that this could be one of the best VR titles to be played on PC. I too am gutted the game has launched like this.
I believe EVE Valkyrie was/is X-play with PC/PS4. It runs very well on PC and looks pretty but I'm not a massive fan of the way the ships handle in game.
Aha get in, Epic wouldnt refund me but as I've been a long time user of the unreal engine and been active on their boards for years, moaned on there and strangely half hour later I got an email from Epic giving me a refund.
Epic do have some integrity after all.
So now this piece of * is off my computer and the money returned I can leave this here and never return.
* YOU EA
Yeah, if EA hasn't moved the bug out of investigation officially (i.e. on the Known Issues post) by the beginning of this upcoming week, it'll be time to start having streamers and folks on YouTube warn others that if they are getting this game for PCVR, they should wait, or get it refunded ASAP before putting more hours on this game. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that even though EA decided to make a game without microtransactions, they still managed to mess up its launch with dishonest marketing and terrible communication about THE LARGEST (affecting the most people) bug in the game; find me a thread in this forum with even half as many comments in it.
If you are getting this for PCVR and haven't yet purchased Squadrons: don't.
@stevensred5 it s my opinion too unfortunately ☹️
I m afraid it will not be fixed , the problem is in the engine of the game and they need to redevelop many parts I think.
this game has no future (no DLC , no Addons or new maps in multiplayer) and less and less people are playing it , I think dev will solve small bugs but they dont loose time to solve a huge problem like this (that s why I refunded very quickly (only 45 min of gameplay for me)
Let's just hope if they won't they at least admit it and just say so so that we can all stop wasting our time trying to get them to support VR on a game they built from the start "for VR."
@SupaDupaN00b wrote:Yeah it's a real bummer, I've seen countless threads on both run up to release and post release where people have talked about what they have bought specifically for this game, new GPUs and VR headsets being the most talked about.
I own some decent hardware myself but it was not purchased specifically for this title, however, I imagined for months pre-launch that this could be one of the best VR titles to be played on PC. I too am gutted the game has launched like this.
I believe EVE Valkyrie was/is X-play with PC/PS4. It runs very well on PC and looks pretty but I'm not a massive fan of the way the ships handle in game.
To be honest if you make a Star Wars game about starfighters combat, and you stick to the movie design, you have pretty good chances on having people liking it: the ship design is not only great but iconic and nostalgic, the assets are all there tried and true, the sound effects are practically engrained on your brain, you make those 2 according to the recipe with a good graphic level, and you already have the ambiance and art done which is a huge part of what pulls people in.
To be sincere i liked more the ambiance on Starfighter Assault on bf2, it has the mood of Star Wars.
On Squadrons colors are exaggerated and forced, i could assume to lure in the younger audiences which liked the Clone Wars cartoons and Fortnite, i was disappointed by this, by choosing this direction a chunk of the Star Wars feeling of space was lost in translation.
Instead of showing those players how great the original feeling of Star Wars is, they chose to listen to the marketers that ruin good franchises that say: Fornite does good money, Clone wars did good, do the same! ...sigh...
The models are nicely done and the sounds are great, the tempo of the different weapons suit the game, i like those, however the exaggerated colors make the textures bland and are a disservice to the modeling work and feeling of depth, it flattens everything.
The only moment the saturation works is for example when i fire the lasers on the A wing and the ship and a bit of the cockpit gets bathed on that color (a touch more than what they did and it would have been too much), ironically all the exaggerated coloring makes this effect lose potency (and please don't take this as a hint to exaggerate more the laser firing effect, it would be even worse)
Following a recipe (this game is not a revolutionary concept, is a take on tried and true gameplays), you then are left with other important stuff like gameplay, game mechanics, progression, multiplayer netcode and management, and how clean is your code. These ingredients of the recipe are what usually make people stay.
Gameplay is decent, i think that if starfighter assault on bf was less arcadey, the feeling would be the same and maybe better since the controls are tighter on that game, the only problem on SF assault on BF2 is that it didn't accept hotas input natively
Cant write about multiplayer, game mechanics, progression because i refunded as soon as I could, which leads me to the last point I wanted to write about....
The code... well if we are talking here, there's no need to talk about the code.
I guess i tried to stomach some of these things, and still would since I'm left with no other choice if I want to play a SW starship on VR with current graphics, if they fixed the most important problems, these false frames being displayed being one of the more important if not the most important one for me.
@Manolocox Yes, sorry that was a typo not a joke. I am running a 2070 Super (Maybe in my head I'm dreaming of the 3070 lol).
DX Diag:
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER
...
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz (8 CPUs), ~4.0GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16316MB RAM
I originally thought the same as you when I was having the CPU temp issue, there's something wrong with my setup! Could my CPU be bottlenecking my GPU. Is there a cooling problem? Is the thermal paste finally done for?
I ran tests on other games before contacting support (Overwatch, Apex Legends, Battlefield V, World of Warcraft, Divinity Original Sin 2, and Doom Eternal). I never once had a CPU temp issue with any of those games and the settings I run those games at vary from high to ultra (or ultra nightmare in Doom's case) at 1440p with a monitor that supports up to 144hz. The only reason I noticed the temp issue is I recently upgraded this machine from an RTX 970 and was using afterburner to monitor the temperature.
Once I realized the temperature issue was specific to Star Wars Squadrons and in general my CPU runs between 60 degrees Celsius and 80 degrees Celsius in all other games, they pointed me to this thread and said that they think this bug paired with the RTX 2070 cards run into these crazy high cpu temps.
@WarGravy00You can run on Ultra but with limited framerates/vsync and your temps are going to be much lower that if you run without them at the same time and on lowest settings.
Doesnt matter the game doesnt matter the resolution, doesnt matter the graphical settings, the gpu and cpu are going to generate the most number of images they can, so they will work more.
For example, i run BallisticNG which is a game that's not demanding (but great) limited by my choice (every game should have a user defined frame control) on 250fps and vsync off (helps input latency). every effect on at 1440p
Runs waaaay cooler than without user frame control going all out at over 800fps vsync off, effects off.
There's around a 10°C difference, but still under 80°C in the worst case. *Edit: under 80°C for the GPU and under 70°C for the CPU in the worst case
Your CPU shouldn't reach 100°C, in any case you mentioned limited or not limited.
I will play cautious here and write it so no one tries to twist this info: i would imagine someone trying to say: oh they limited the framerate to protect the CPU.... nice try, but that would be a lie, you can go all out with the frames and your GPU and CPU will take care of themselves via their cooling solutions/internal management. Its how they are designed to work. (for example, as soon as temps go up too much, turbo boost will automatically deactivate, which will lower the temps substantially)
You missed to mention what cooler you are using for your cpu
Any issues with GPU temp or CPU are not Squadrons specific, and are 100% going to be related to your hardware.
It just seems that Squadrons in it's inefficient, unfinished state - Has magnified any existing issues people may have with their systems.
On high end hardware, most modern games wouldn't come close to maxing out CPU usage these days. Squadrons does because it's poorly optimised and has technical issues that aren't present in other games.
Leading to your existing hardware cooling issues revealing themselves.
C'mon EA... Over 630 points for this issue and you're still patching stuff that's minor in most people's eyes. I forced myself to play it for about an hour, in VR and I got nauseous. I've been playing VR nearly every other day, since the Vive Pro was released. NEVER got sick until this game. I don't even know how that's possible since I've played way worse framerate games. There's something about the issue with this game that just makes all other games (with poor framerates in VR) way more playable.
I’ve posted a comment on digital foundry subreddit page. If anyone also want to comment here the link:
@WarGravy00 wrote:
@Manolocoxsure but booting up the game and sitting in the menu and having that CPU load is a serious problem not to be ignored.
You haven't pinpointed with certainty the source of the problem, and you still haven't given any info about your CPU cooler.
@WarGravy00No it is not a problem at all. Properly setup hardware has no issue with 100% load on one or all components at once.
Also, this is completely off topic and has nothing to do with the frame pacing issue this thread is talking about. We are NOT talking about performance issues here. We are talking about smoothness/frame delivery problems caused by bad coding.
@VeryBigLouisis correct; I think we should not get off-topic in this thread. @WarGravy00 you should make a new bug ticket in the "Technical Issues" forum for the problems you are having; more likely that EA will see it, and others can help you more effectively.
If my eyes were not enough I've recorded a piece of gameplay to be sure. I put the Rift S on the desk to keep it still, then I used the Oculus Debug Tool performance overlay to be sure the frame rate was locked at 80fps (no hw limitations). Eventually I recorded the video at 80hz while tilting the ship.
The pattern of updates ( 1 ) against duplicates ( 0 ) is obvious:
11110110 and repeat.
Can’t believe this still hasn’t been fixed, or a workaround found
@Jackrabbit710 wrote:Can’t believe this still hasn’t been fixed, or a workaround found
Yeah, one of the most painful pieces of this I keep seeing over and over (on Reddit, elsewhere, and around here) are all the people saying how they purchased a VR set for this game and think it's cool for a while but just isn't doable for more than very short sessions. I think that's why so many reviewers haven't pointed out the issue in VR: they just haven't tested VR for more than a little while to see how it works. I was the same way; when I first got my HMD set up I thought it was amazing... until the choppiness started to kill me.
Those people spent a few hundred dollars just to be disappointed by the game's lack of support for the very thing it was marketed as being built for.
Finally got sick of waiting so had to submit a tech ticket to steam so a human would look at the request and get it refunded. I was stoked for this for months, super bummed this is what we got. The game itself is fun but it’s unplayable in VR which is the main reason I got it
