Jewish and Muslim Representation in the Sims!

@poptart52 

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Hi!

I do understand that the Sims avoids religion (and then adds a bunch of churches with the wedding pack as optional wedding venues), but Judaism is both an ethnicity and a religion, and I agree that it would be nice to get some cultural representation. The main thing I do with my starter save is include my Sim-ified version of Jewish holidays. I always get a huge kick out of dressing my Sims up in costumes and having them drink and dance and exchange gifts before going to the holiday service for Purim, for example. There are so many that it became annoying to set them up every save. 🤣

I’ve tried not to harp on the churches because I know some people would be heartbroken to not give their Sims a church wedding, but it does kind of feel like “we avoid touchy subjects like religion unless it’s church weddings and Winterfest because Christianity is the neutral default that offends no one.” I don’t want to deny anyone’s Sims a church wedding! It just grates a little. 

I will say that I very much appreciate the two Hanukkiahs that are in the game  if you have the holiday pack, but Hanukkah is a minor holiday that’s only really prominent because of its proximity to Christmas. (Also, lighting the Hanukkiah gives you a happy moodlet… with a picture of a Christmas tree on it!) The most important holidays are Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, both of which are in the fall. I’d love for the Team to add things like a chuppah (wedding canopy) and more foods, especially a round challah for Rosh Hashana. ❤️

(One Hanukkiah is base game and the other is with the free Holiday pack, which I avoided downloading forever because I read it as “The even more Christmas stuff pack!” It has some lovely things in it so I’m glad I finally downloaded it. That said, despite the Menorah it’s absolutely “The even more Christmas stuff pack.”)

Speaking of DLC, I’d even be willing to buy a kit for some of these items. I know you’ve done some cultural representation in kits before…

Sajida isn't my last name. I have two names as my first name.... Many Ashkenazi Jews do. @EA_Barry 

I love to see lots of different cultures represented in the game and these are really interesting ideas. I hope your suggestion is taken on board.

I really like the element of adding different recipes and decorations and clothing to represent different nationalities and faiths. I like to add Sims that are nothing like myself. I may be a white Geordie girl but none of my Sims are lol. I try and do my homework before creating a Sim of another culture to get it as accurate as I can even though I'm the only one playing it because it really interests me. 

A kit is a really great idea to expand on it and why not, when it's been done.

I like that when new recipes are added for example, there's that little paragraph that pops up explaining the origins. I actually pinch some of them and make them myself.

Good luck with your suggestions!

I really hope that we will get more. It is nice we got new hijab, but it is still not enough - we need more styles and more stuff, like khimar. Modest typical Muslim clothing is also needed.

Also, the Slavic and Native American cultures are literally non-existent for The Sims 4 - how its possible that Native American culture is still not in game? How can america centric game exclude important first nation of american continent is beyond me.

Also about cultural kits - big no. Representation isn't something people should pay for and its really bad already we have one cultural kit - when it comes to transfering hairstyles from DLCs to base game, The Sims Team keeps excusing themselves by saying they don't want to gatekeep inclusive content, so why they made a cultural kit in a first place

YES! 100%. But unfortunately I'm not Native so I don't feel like I can do anything on that front.

I also agree we shouldn't have to pay to get our culture in the game. Especially when most of the cultures are free drops. We should all have those base game!

I take your point about the kits, you're possibly talking more about the kind of culture drop we got with the Brazilian recipes and South American items. I'm more talking about the Oasis Kit as an example which adds a lot more inventory because they charge for it and I was happy to pay a fiver to add that to my game. But when you want to see your culture reflected in it, well it would be frustrating to be charged for that.

I'd like to see these things in an update if the team felt so inclined but I'd also like to see it done effectively and as accurately as possible. For people who don't know much about some cultures other than what I see on US TV (which I can see is often stereotyped) it's important it's done right. I've seen an excellent description on another thread of how some Asian festivals need some work done to be more accurate.

I'm a little jaded by some of the pushback on some threads about inclusive content though, I see the term PC being used when changes are made to make the game more diverse so I just say ok fine, if not everyone wants it then I'll happily just buy it for my game because I personally do want to see as much diversity and culture as possible. It's what makes the game a living and vibrant thing for me and I love that. I like beige for a wall colour...not for my world.

But yes, I see what you mean about being charged for your culture. However it's added though, I'd like to see it and I support what you're trying to say here.

So, as you're aware, HufflePom over on Twitter has been posting every day for almost a year asking for Jewish ethnic/cultural representation in The Sims, and I thought I would suggest some concrete ideas to help!

HufflePom has particularly focused on adding food to the game, and I second that suggestion! I have some mods by IceMunMun and RobinTheLocksley to add custom foods, but it would be great to get official assets so Jewish players on console could represent themselves more easily.

Traditional head coverings are also a thing. Men often wear the little skullcap, called a kippah or a yarmulke depending. Married women often wear scarves or tichels (I use the Cottage Living hair with a scarf attached or the turban from City Living for that). Other than that, Jewish Sims often dress like their non-Jewish neighbors (with some exceptions in very Orthodox communities; they dress more formally, in black suits and hats for the men, long skirts for the women).

There are also a lot of holidays, which don't have to be religious! non-religious Jews celebrate a lot of them as just cultural things. The main things we're missing are some foods (apples and honey for Rosh Hashanah, challah bread--often round for Rosh Hashanah but regular challah is served every Friday, passover food like matzahs, charoset, and matzah ball soup) and things like a shofar (it's a ram's horn that you blow into and it makes a very distinctive sound that's an important part of the Rosh Hashanah service, but people own them decoratively). Also I have a CC chuppah (wedding canopy).

Gameplay-wise, culturally Jewish folks value learning in general and Jewish learning in particular, so a Jewish culture skill would be super cool. You could gain it by interacting with the holiday items, eating Jewish foods, and reading books. ESPECIALLY reading books. That said, it sounds like HufflePom was envisioning more of an SDX drop than an actual pack, so that might be more than you want to get into for a simple SDX drop. One of the possible rewards for improved Jewish culture skill would be better shofar blowing. :D (That could be hilarious, TBH!)

You could also possibly do some holiday themed scenarios: Celebrate Hannukah! eat fried foods, give gifts, and light candles. Celebrate Passover! have a dinner party and drinks, tell stories, eat the passover foods. Celebrate Purim! Dress up in costumes, drink, give each other food gifts. Celebrate Rosh Hashanah! eat the special foods, go to services, use the shofar, have a grand meal. (I have a lot of custom holidays set up in my saves, LOL, so I've thought of this a lot.)

ANYWAY. I thought concrete suggestions for what you could include might be helpful!

Really good idea. Cultural representation that is different to mine is something that really interests me and the more of it in the game, the better.

What I really like about culture drops in the Sims is that each item or recipe often gets that little paragraph of info explaining what things are and what they are for and I love that.

I understand Hanukkah starts next week so happy holidays to you. Maybe they'll add something like this for Hanukkah 2023, let's hope so.