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@Fadetoblack021 wrote:
@ThoorWoolf wrote:
@Fadetoblack021Instead of hitting, try to use the stick more and try to poke the puck.Ok, but that's not what I read on here. It was my impression that spamming that move caused a penalty and I want to know if that's the case. It's not optimal to use your stick from behind.
It's more likely to happen when spammed, but low discipline can also cause it.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@Fadetoblack021 wrote:
@ThoorWoolf wrote:
@Fadetoblack021Instead of hitting, try to use the stick more and try to poke the puck.Ok, but that's not what I read on here. It was my impression that spamming that move caused a penalty and I want to know if that's the case. It's not optimal to use your stick from behind.
It's more likely to happen when spammed, but low discipline can also cause it.
The previous explanation was that there are no way any "random" penalties and it was a direct cause of spamming the button. I'm pretty disappointed to find out that's not the truth and there are, after all, penalties the CPU just decides it's time for you to take which are unavoidable.
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@Fadetoblack021 wrote:
The previous explanation was that there are no way any "random" penalties and it was a direct cause of spamming the button. I'm pretty disappointed to find out that's not the truth and there are, after all, penalties the CPU just decides it's time for you to take which are unavoidable.
Penalties aren't random. You don't just have the ref throwing up their arm whenever they want. You have to do something that can cause a penalty. Like shoving from behind with low discipline. A player with low discipline is more likely to cross-check than just shove. A player with a lower stick checking rating is more likely to trip someone. They have a lower skill at it so it's more likely they'll hit the skates instead of the puck. The CPU doesn't just decide to do anything without reason.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@Fadetoblack021 wrote:The previous explanation was that there are no way any "random" penalties and it was a direct cause of spamming the button. I'm pretty disappointed to find out that's not the truth and there are, after all, penalties the CPU just decides it's time for you to take which are unavoidable.
Penalties aren't random. You don't just have the ref throwing up their arm whenever they want. You have to do something that can cause a penalty. Like shoving from behind with low discipline. A player with low discipline is more likely to cross-check than just shove. A player with a lower stick checking rating is more likely to trip someone. They have a lower skill at it so it's more likely they'll hit the skates instead of the puck. The CPU doesn't just decide to do anything without reason.
I don't think you understand the definition of the word "random":
If there's a % chance he'll cross-check if he has lower stats regardless of user control, what would that be called? That's right, it would be called a "random chance". Any penalties that are out of the user's control decided by some arbitrary mathematical formula are both 1 and 2 of the definition above.
I'm not blaming the AI for gaining sentience (especially this one) and doing "whatever it wants" I'm blaming EA for putting something in a game which we have zero control over.
I think what he means is that the outcome, while numerically random, won't (or at least shouldn't) happen without some sort of control by you the player. You run the risk of something going wrong every time you make an input and in this case, hitting instead of previously closing the gap and other factors didn't land in your favour.
It's annoting when it happens for sure but its much more acceptable than the cpu taking penalties away from the play.
In the future I would like to see more options for players to interact with others from behind as there is definitely some leniency in the real NHL when it comes to holding and rubbing against/getting all up on a puck carrier
Community ManagerYou have control over it. Stop doing things that can generate penalties to avoid them.
Cross-checking and elbowing penalties all come down to discipline. I run a two-way defenseman with 91 discipline and virtually never take any other penalties besides the occasional trip and boarding penalties (I hit a lot). If you're a forward dumping all your points into dekeing and offensive traits while ignoring discipline, that's your fault. Make a more balanced build.
@EA_Aljo wrote:You have control over it. Stop doing things that can generate penalties to avoid them.
Stop using shove in any manner since there's a random chance it might generate a penalty? Why even have shove in the game then? I don't think you understand what the problem here is, either that or you're purposefully pretending not to.
Elbowing penalties are just dressed up charging penalties from what Aljo said, though he also said cross-checking wasn't random either so I don't know.
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@Fadetoblack021 wrote:
Stop using shove in any manner since there's a random chance it might generate a penalty? Why even have shove in the game then? I don't think you understand what the problem here is, either that or you're purposefully pretending not to.
Spamming shove causes cross-checks and there's a greater chance of them with lower discipline. That's what I'm saying. Stop spamming shoves. Stop smashing players on the boards, stop charging up your hits from several strides away, etc. These aren't random acts that you have no control over. Penalties are only given out if you do something that can cause them.
@EA_Aljo wrote:
@Fadetoblack021 wrote:
Stop using shove in any manner since there's a random chance it might generate a penalty? Why even have shove in the game then? I don't think you understand what the problem here is, either that or you're purposefully pretending not to.Spamming shove causes cross-checks and there's a greater chance of them with lower discipline. That's what I'm saying. Stop spamming shoves. Stop smashing players on the boards, stop charging up your hits from several strides away, etc. These aren't random acts that you have no control over. Penalties are only given out if you do something that can cause them.
You can clearly see that I didn't spam anything, I simply pressed it once. If I can do the same play 100 times and I get a penalty 5 of those times randomly then there's literally nothing I can do to stop it unless I never use that button at all.
I'd also like to add that you SHOULD stop skating from several strides away and coast into your hit because that's what makes it NOT charging...unless you jump into them at the last second, which we've already discussed.
At the core of these issues is the complete lack of knowledge of the flow of the sport of hockey. I obviously can't explain that to you but if you've played thousands of games and weekly practices from anklebiter to midget, to college then to for fun, you can feel the pulse of the game and how egregious these things really are. You'll always fall back on the "it's not meant to be a full simulation" argument but that doesn't in any way excuse core game mechanics that don't work how they would in real life.
My friends and I who still play this game spend almost as much time screaming "WHY??" then playing the actual game, that's how bad it is. Passes to nowhere, dumps that don't work, hip-checking at 0 kph, D scoring on ourselves, goalies sitting\laying down, goals called off for the wrong reasons, computer trying to pass through the net instead of using the boards, obstruction interference doesn't exist, I could go on and on and on but it doesn't matter because they'll always just be another excuse and zero accountability or will to ever change any of it.
Post your build.
Community ManagerThanks for all the feedback.
