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Re: I quit arena's indefinitely, too high of point loss

@Ev3rM0r3Means youre bad at the game man. If you are losing more than youre winning its the game telling itself that you need to fall way down. So when you lose, the losses are more than what you earn when you win. Eventually youll get to a point where your wins equal then succeed how much you lose per game. And that is where your skill level is. 

and those aimbotters youre talking about are probably just good players who are better than you. And because theyre better than you you lose more points because you dont belong that high with them

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  • Ev3rM0r3's avatar
    Ev3rM0r3
    4 years ago

    Way to be really subtle you clown.  Maybe you missed the fact where I said we caught people cheating. 

  • TheApexLegendNu's avatar
    TheApexLegendNu
    4 years ago

    @RockScorpion384It doesn’t mean hes bad at the game, the games matchmaking is bad

    Some days I can log on and kill everyone like they are bots, other days the games are fair fights I win some I lose a ton, and other days its nothing but loss, loss, loss, loss... they do it on purpose and when its nothing but losses I quit playing the game and go on something else

    Today is one of those days... I can only do 1-2 bullets on someone before I am 1 clipped... then you look at the death recap and its some level 27 hitting almost all headshots... Im done with this game awhile I can’t take it anymore they seriously need to address the smurfing issue and the hacker/ server issues in general before this game dies like Warzone did they both suffer from the exact same issues and its only a matter of time before these new warzone streamers and possibly players notice that

  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @Ev3rM0r3 

    Another fact; people who claim that 75% of  matches they lost had cheaters in it are usually just bad (in comparison to the guy who just killed him ofc, everything is relative)... No offense and not accusing you, just speaking in general terms here =).  You see it all the time on this forum; some people are certain that there are 20-30% hackers in every match. I have literally seen 0 hackers this season. I have had random teammates accusing me of hacking just for being able to one-clip or 1v3 a squad =)

    And @RockScorpion384  is actually correct, in principle. In any MMR based competitive game; if you lose way more points when losing in relation to what you gain when winning, its usually an indicator that your MMR value/game performance trend is to low for your to your current rank. And ofc its the same the other way around. If the game awards you tons of points for a win, the game has identified you as too good for your current rank and tries to boost you faster to the rank that corresponds best to your MMR/skills. 

    But then again; it might just be Respawn who are too bad to design a MMR-based system =)

  • RockScorpion384's avatar
    RockScorpion384
    4 years ago
    @TheApexLegendNub Just sounds like you are inconsistent if you have such varying results buddy. And the games where you lose constantly its just the other team is better than you. No conspiracy theory that the game purposely makes you lose.

    Fun fact, the people who moan the most about hackers and smurfs are usually bad at the game and will blame anything else than accept theyre at fault. Sure on occasion you may be correct but majority of the time someone who you think is cheating is just good at the game
  • D3loFF's avatar
    D3loFF
    Rising Veteran
    4 years ago
    @Balladalidila I have 70% win rate in Arena and can tell you that it was extremely bad designed. You just can't play for fun... the game matches you 90% of the time with people who require hard carrying so you have to sweat a lot if you want to progress. And I want to progress, that's why I play Ranked in the first place...
  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @D3loFF 


    So unless you only have like 10-15 matches under the belt and actually played a substantial number of ranked matches, then if what you say is true, i,e that you have 70'% win rate in ranked AND says you hard carry your team 90% of all those matches, then logic dictates that you're are being matched also against opponents that are way, waay worse below you skill level, as well as bad teammates right? So at least you should have quite good times playing, even if the system is broken? 

  • SILVERisSORRY's avatar
    SILVERisSORRY
    4 years ago

    The MM is definitely broken and I will NOT be playing Ranked Arenas until something is fixed

    For those of us that solo que the majority of the time, Ranked Arenas MM has been so bad and I don't want to lose the rank I’m at.

    For example I’m put up against a full premade squad of lvl 300 - 500 players, and for teammates it pairs me with 2 lvl 30’s!!!?

    Wtf!? My teammates skill was so low, it seemed like they had never played APEX before….

    There is NO chance of me coming out of that situation with a WIN.

    So for now i’m just avoiding Ranked altogether.

  • D3loFF's avatar
    D3loFF
    Rising Veteran
    4 years ago
    @Balladalidila You are correct, this is exactly the case. But in reality things are often a bit different than in talk. I play against five people. It is fun, yes, in the first couple dozen games then it becomes a real pain. Keeping my team alive while trying to find a way to kill if not the entire at least 2/3 of the enemy team. Also do you think it is so easy to do so every time?
    Why should I do all the work? This still does not answer the question why am I matched with those people.
  • Tried just playing public arenas today and over 1/2 of my matches were 3 v 2’s, i fell like its getting worse…

  • @D3loFFThe reason you are matched with those people is they are the same rank as you. Simple as that. 

    Whether they deserve to be there is a different story. If they dont, then they will lose more points than they win and drop ranks. Thats how matchmaking works.

    This is the first season of ranked arenas expect people to not be at their correct ranks immediately because the game is trying to get people to their correct rank. This is what happens when you essentially reset the mmr of everyone. 

  • @SILVERisSORRYIf youre teammates are much worse than you then theyll lose more points than you for that loss. Thats how the mmr system is designed. The better you are the more points you win/less you lose

    atm im losing like 12-20 points for a loss, but gaining 80-100 per win. So the gane sees im better than where im ranked

  • Balladalidila's avatar
    Balladalidila
    Seasoned Ace
    4 years ago

    @D3loFF 

    So just mind your own business (which honestly is the best strategy in this mode anyways, even as 3 stack premade) and climb to pred this way? If this is the case then the matchmaking obviously is broken but all I am saying is that if you have 70% win rate after "many" ranked matches, (which is insanely high in a 3v3 mode) AND you say you manage to win so many games even though you have to hard carry your teammates in almost every game, then by logic, it means that your enemies are so much worse than you that you basically are smurfing in ranked..   So when you say "why should I do all the work"; well because you somehow fooled the system that allows you to smurf, thats why =)

  • Lukeyg9425's avatar
    Lukeyg9425
    4 years ago

    That makes no sense. I sailed through to D3 ended up losing 3 games in a row which is fine. Went on a winning streak again and was only earning 12 points which is ridiculous. Decided to stop playing arenas for a couple of weeks played last night won 7 matches in a row against some really good teams still in D3 and still only earned 12 points even on a win streak so what your saying is totally wrong.

  • victorrose5's avatar
    victorrose5
    4 years ago

    Not sure if it’s MMR in general or just Apex’s system but one thing for sure, some needs to change. Winning needs a base point gain and 12pts ain’t cutting it. I had a 3-game win streak, 12pts each, lost and got hit with like a 20-23pt loss. Yesterday got hit with 2 30pts losses everytime I lost a match that would’ve got me back to Plat 4. Feels like the game is gatekeeping me at this point. 

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