@2deski wrote:
@Ayes80 wrote:Oh man where to start, so many wrong points and senseless arguments.
Well, you just added one to the list.
@Ayes80 wrote:I think the most people in this thread are thinking way to complicated. You can't put everything in consideration to get a matchmaking. It's just about the kills per game ratio.
You definitely need to think more complex than that. This is not how it works. You cannot have a game where everyone scores 3 kills. If you match by combat skill everyone would have ~0.5 kills per game. Which could make it a very different game. And if the MMR would be hidden then combat skill would effectively not matter. You won't have any reason to get better at fighting because if you do you'd simply be matched with better opponents. And no matter what, you'd have half a kill per game on average. This could potentially turn the game into being all about avoiding fights at all costs.
I don't really understand your thoughts...
The game is about fun. And the game is about winning in the end. The only thing a simple matchmaking should effect is a more fair game experience especially for weaker players. Nobody would change their style of play because of that. The games will just be more balanced.
So where is your problem with that
No more easy kills for you?
Edit: I read your answer a few times and I really don't understand what you are trying to say :-)
"You cannot have a game where everyone scores 3 kills." But you know what a ratio or an average is, do you? No one thinks everyone will score 3 kills in a game?
"If you match by combat skill everyone would have ~0.5 kills per game." What? What do you mean with that?
" You won't have any reason to get better at fighting because if you do you'd simply be matched with better opponents. And no matter what, you'd have half a kill per game on average." Again,.. what???? I think you really don't understand statistics an the meaning of kill per game RATIO.
I try to clear this one for you... if someone has 4.000 + kills in 500 games on his whole account he has a kill per game ratio of 8. If another guy has 100 kills in 500 games he has a ratio of 0,2. In no world and never ever should these guys meet in the same match of Apex Legends. Why? Because they are skill wise on different planets! You understand that?
To make it more vivid for you. This will turn out like Usain Bolt against a guy with one leg in a 100m running.
I will never understand how anybody could defend this unfair condition in these games.
@Ayes80 wrote:
@2deski wrote:
@Ayes80 wrote:Oh man where to start, so many wrong points and senseless arguments.
Well, you just added one to the list.
@Ayes80 wrote:I think the most people in this thread are thinking way to complicated. You can't put everything in consideration to get a matchmaking. It's just about the kills per game ratio.
You definitely need to think more complex than that. This is not how it works. You cannot have a game where everyone scores 3 kills. If you match by combat skill everyone would have ~0.5 kills per game. Which could make it a very different game. And if the MMR would be hidden then combat skill would effectively not matter. You won't have any reason to get better at fighting because if you do you'd simply be matched with better opponents. And no matter what, you'd have half a kill per game on average. This could potentially turn the game into being all about avoiding fights at all costs.
I don't really understand your thoughts...
The game is about fun. And the game is about winning in the end. The only thing a simple matchmaking should effect is a more fair game experience especially for weaker players. Nobody would change their style of play because of that. The games will just be more balanced.
So where is your problem with that
No more easy kills for you?
Edit: I read your answer a few times and I really don't understand what you are trying to say :-)
"You cannot have a game where everyone scores 3 kills." But you know what a ratio or an average is, do you? No one thinks everyone will score 3 kills in a game?
"If you match by combat skill everyone would have ~0.5 kills per game." What? What do you mean with that?
" You won't have any reason to get better at fighting because if you do you'd simply be matched with better opponents. And no matter what, you'd have half a kill per game on average." Again,.. what???? I think you really don't understand statistics an the meaning of kill per game RATIO.
I try to clear this one for you... if someone has 4.000 + kills in 500 games on his whole account he has a kill per game ratio of 8. If another guy has 100 kills in 500 games he has a ratio of 0,2. In no world and never ever should these guys meet in the same match of Apex Legends. Why? Because they are skill wise on different planets! You understand that?
To make it more vivid for you. This will turn out like Usain Bolt against a guy with one leg in a 100m running.
I will never understand how anybody could defend this unfair condition in these games.
Alright, this thread is just like another reddit-like outrage where a bunch of kids viciously demand something they have zero understanding of.
You can't have a gold rank where everyone would have 3 kills per game ratio. :facepalm: That's. Not. How. It. Works. It's literally impossible to sustain and would make zero sense anyway.
Kills per game ratio is completely irrelevant stat in here. K/D is better but it's also irrelevant in here. As is anyone's winrate. You don't rate players like this, kids. You rate them by relative performance. It's not how many kills you got, it's who you killed and who you got killed by. Not how many wins you got but who you won against and who you lost to. So if you match players by combat performance, every fight everyone would have ~50% chance of dying on average. Hence the ~0.5 kills per game. If you can't understand even this basic concept, please, for the love of god, stop talking nonsense. Especially in this kind of tone where you attempt to teach people 2nd grade arithmetic in the process trying to make yourself look smart. This will only make similar kids get false hope on a topic where so far there is none. Stop assuming that when someone tells you that it's not so simple and that there are no examples of successful skill-based MM in BR it means that OMG he's against being matched with equal opponents! I am not. The world is not black and white. Stop making these bizarre notions suggesting that a BR game where 20 teams are stuffed together at the same time is just the same as games where only 2 teams are matched at once like Titanfall, or especially games where only two players are matched into duels like Quake (and by the way, Quake is way harder on new players than this game). It's not. We are not even clear on what the goals of skill-based matchmaking in BR should be exactly. And it's not the end of the world either. There's nothing really stopping you from improving instead of crying how you got killed by a better player. Don't make it sound like you are constantly matched into full lobbies of Twitch streamers. But if you can't live with the way things are, your best bet is to leave this game.
Ok Mr. Complex, i am not a kid. I am not crying. I just try to make an approach for a better and fair gaming experience for the weaker players who, believe it or not, have problems to get kills at all. So the kill per game or kill per death ratio as you mentioned is an important stat. This should help for a rough division of the playerbase nothing more.
So no need for insults and arrogant behavior on your part. It was just an example.
I also never assumed that there are twitch streamers and pro players in every match, but the difference in skill is nevertheless very high even at the "normal" players.
You can only improve to a point, but even with training and experience you will never be as good as these players. Like talent or physical conditions in sport.
You don't want a more fair environment in this game i get that. But many players want that like it or not. And if all players just leave as you want them to do there will be big decline in players overall. Less money for the publisher and no support for future content. So it will get to you sooner or later.
Have fun!
@Ayes80 wrote:So the kill per game or kill per death ratio as you mentioned is an important stat. This should help for a rough division of the playerbase nothing more.
You really need to read what I said as many times as you need and think it through until you understand that what you're saying makes absolutely zero sense.
@Ayes80 wrote:You don't want a more fair environment in this game i get that.
No matter how many times you're going to keep repeating something you made up even after I explicitly denied it, it will not make it true. Nor would you simply ignoring what I say make it false. You keep ignoring any arguments and crying the same tune of "Gimme this thing I want" just like a little kid crying for why can't he have snow in the summer.
@2deski wrote:
@Ayes80 wrote:So the kill per game or kill per death ratio as you mentioned is an important stat. This should help for a rough division of the playerbase nothing more.
You really need to read what I said as many times as you need and think it through until you understand that what you're saying makes absolutely zero sense.
@Ayes80 wrote:You don't want a more fair environment in this game i get that.
No matter how many times you're going to keep repeating something you made up even after I explicitly denied it, it will not make it true. Nor would you simply ignoring what I say make it false. You keep ignoring any arguments and crying the same tune of "Gimme this thing I want" just like a little kid crying for why can't he have snow in the summer.
My little child has more understanding than you so let us just stop to argue. You don't get it anyway. And I will not accept your opinion as right becuase its way to complicated and not measurable.
Just let me hope they will fix their game and you can go on stomping newbies and feel good about it. Everything is fine.
Have fun
Gotta say that i'm impressed with the progress from Respawn.
Now the game seens to have a match making, it's always throwing me in duo squads.
Now not only the players are ridiculously bad, they don't even bother to ping or say anything, they keep talking in programs outside of the game and then wonder why i just ditch them and go do my own things.
GJ Respawn you managed to make a * system even worse.
PS: for the looks of it they changed the "first in first out to everyone" to putting the duos at the top at the list, filling them, them putting solos in the game. That might explain why before solos pretty much always had near instant matchs and duos got a little longer to now duos having near instant matchs and solos waiting a little longe. Or there was some REALLY strange coincidence with the times of the queues and for some REALLY * luck for me of getting 8/10 matchs the 2 other guys being duos.
Yea i just installed the game 2 hours ago, tried playing, am now lvl 6 with 0 kills and on my last game i got killed by a guy with 4356 kills and 4000 something headshot. Uninstalled.
Not the absolute best way draw and KEEP a crowd. I mean its slowly falling down on twitch already and fortnite going back to its old self. Honestly the game is just not viable for anyone who has never played a Battle Royale game before
Bull*hit, this is my first BR game (tried fortnite for couple of hours, didn't attract me) which i like to play and i am new in BR games.
