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6 years ago
@dtOddity92 My point would be that no one ***deserves*** anything in the game, honestly. If EA want to capitalise on whales and provide millions of us with a free game because people with more money are willing to pay more money - then complaining at not getting that content seems a bit daft to me.
Other people paying a lot more means the vast majority get a better product whilst not paying anything. In that regard this business model benefits the majority of people with little to no money to spend on games.
One issue might be how much EA are preying on people with gambling addictions and that they're not subject to the same restrictions as gambling websites etc, but barely anyone complaining about the prices of these products is doing it in a humanitarian "EA need to be more responsible" tone.
I'm SERIOUSLY dubious about begging the gubment anywhere to come in with their heavy boots and start putting restrictions on the business practises of games developers/publishers. What we're more likely to see than a reduction in this sort of practise is an INCREASE of it, post-regulation, and lots of new and exciting hoops to jump through like ID verification and needing to see a "please gamble sensibly" advert that we can't skip or mute every 3 games.
Other people paying a lot more means the vast majority get a better product whilst not paying anything. In that regard this business model benefits the majority of people with little to no money to spend on games.
One issue might be how much EA are preying on people with gambling addictions and that they're not subject to the same restrictions as gambling websites etc, but barely anyone complaining about the prices of these products is doing it in a humanitarian "EA need to be more responsible" tone.
I'm SERIOUSLY dubious about begging the gubment anywhere to come in with their heavy boots and start putting restrictions on the business practises of games developers/publishers. What we're more likely to see than a reduction in this sort of practise is an INCREASE of it, post-regulation, and lots of new and exciting hoops to jump through like ID verification and needing to see a "please gamble sensibly" advert that we can't skip or mute every 3 games.
6 years ago
I get what you mean buy wouldnt it have been wiser to allow upfront payment of certain skins instead of putting up a gamble mechanic which pretty much means to get one cosmetic you potentially have to get all? If there was also some sort of way to earn through playing the skin youd like (more iron crown drops, iron crown value for each cosmetic) that would also been nice to encourage people to play while at the same time keep the exclusivity of the other skins.
Right now its just whack. Its thr first time apex releases some decent skins and you have to roll the dice for them.
- Lets say youre a BP player ($10 every 3 months), it wouldve been rational to offer skins worth $10 since you already know this person has at least that amount to spend. Market research on this is very poor to me
- 6 years ago@Sarsicool This is a great comment that in all honestly probably encapsulates what the side of the community who care about cosmetics, truly wants to see changed.
So many players feel upset not at the fact premium items are premium, but that there's no absolute guarantee they can get what they want.
The first legendary cosmetic I got was for the Mozambique.
You can imagine my disappointment.
After that I spend money on Apex packs in the hopes I could get a legendary Mirage skin. Did I?
No... And still haven't to this day.
I'm pretty sure every player has experienced some form of disappointment from the randomised nature of the premium content. So this is why people should voice their dissatisfaction. Not to hate on the company, but simply request greater accessibility to the content they actually want to play for.- 6 years ago@dtOddity92 Mate you're great with the replies-- let's keep this thread alive as long as we can.
I was also vocal here back when cheating was rampant on PC and I'm glad that was resolved over time (not totally, but there's definitely improvement incrementally) which got me back to APEX in time for season 2. I know I couldn't personally thank the people responsible for it but we do our part by playing the game and supporting it financially.
I'm sure there are some white hats listening to our complaints here and these don't fall into deaf ears. Would love to know your other ideas to voice out these concerns!
Back to the topic at hand... I mean if they released 1-2 $200 skins I wouldn't mind even if these were the ones I truly liked, I might even consider buying them. The whole marketing got me hyped especially when they tweeted the Wraith skin; in my mind formed the thought that hey I'm gonna buy that or at least grind for it if needed. But then when I read up on the event and boom typical hype bust.
But if you're a rational bloke and see that you have a 4% chance (out of 24) to roll the one cosmetic you like but if you dont you get 2x the chance to roll MUSIC (i mean who even thought this was "deal") or the hemlock skin (no offense to people who rock the hemlock but it's just not my cup of tea)-- it's just a bad trade off.
This game is great, sure it's still rough around the edges with all the bugs and optimization issues but it's still young. Played a ton of FPS (from CS, CSGO, OW, R6siege, PUBG, then here) and it's the first time I actually come to post in forums because this game has great potential longterm. I just don't want the publishers to eff it up because of bad business practices. We get it you need to make money, but don't be scammy going about it. There were a ton of ways to make this better.- 6 years ago@Sarsicool First off, thank you for the words of encouragement. I don't often make the effort to specifically voice my opinion on matters such as this, so it's pleasant to see it's being received as respectably as it can be when it is merely posted on a forum on the internet.
Secondly in reference to you asking what other methods we can utilise to voice concerns on the subject? Well that I cannot be to sure on to be perfectly honest with you.
Forums like this one are specifically set up to provide a company's demographic a way in which to interact with them.
So we could arguably already be in the best place.
The key thing to bare in mind however is that it's not necessarily where we voice our opinions but how we tone them.
Fun fact: Did you know the loudest word ever shouted is "quiet"?
Not that this is deeply philosophical or anything, but how we as consumers conduct ourselves when trying to get our voices heard is of paramount importance.
A company will not indulge those who aggressively demand change, but will certainly consider the words of those who respectfully assert their concerns.
Heading to a place like reddit to call something like this monetisation effort something that can only be described with the use of foul language, will never make an impact or inspire change.
Like you say, someone, somewhere in EA must be aware of this controversy. Since raising these point myself and seeing hundreds of others do so since the latest update I have also noticed media companies picking up on and reporting it too.
It is debatable however if the negative air around this event will ultimately benefit Respawn and EA. After all, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
Take Rockstar games for instance. They intentionally funded journalists to write negative reviews for GTA V and in doing so made arguably the most successful game ever published in the last 10 years.
I guess what I'm now trying to say is, we have to encourage the right kinds of feedback to a company about their product, be it video games, supermarkets or whatever else.
You are also right in saying the community wouldn't likely mind some things being higher prices compared to usual.
However they rightly have to be justified expenses.
Keeping it related to Respawn and EA, we can easily compare Titanfall 2 and Apex Legends to expose big differences in marketing strategies.
In Titanfall 2 micro transactions can consist of just a few dollars ($5 - 10). For those few dollars players would receive not just one, but a whole selection of character cosmetics. With emphasis being on the option to select said cosmetics.
When compared to Apex Legends however, the micro transactions are questionably extortionate in the fact that players are having to spend more for less and what they have no real control over.
And so grows the controversy as to the player base being divided on why the prices are what they are.
Whether this is all truly a form of bad business practises is like glass coffins.
Remains to be seen.
After all I am only questioning if this monetisation effort is unethical or non-consumer friendly. Not outright saying that it is.
In the mean time though I think everyone can certainly appreciate the effort the developers have been putting into this content.
The Iron Crown event may be polarising to most but you cannot deny, Respawn and EA have demonstrated a commitment to delivering the content the entire community have been asking for, be it new cosmetics, new game modes of core gameplay improvements. Which is especially positive when you consider the game is free to play and only been out a few months.
Look at anthem... It launched around the same time and has ultimately gone nowhere compared to Apex Legends, despite having greater levels funding.
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