Vantage ult can hit players behind cover

@Asmodeus566

If you slow down the clip, the first longbow shot clearly goes past the wall. It's not until the third longbow shot that it actually clips the wall the target is covered behind. Watch the difference in travel time.

@Asmodeus566 

Enhanced close-up in case anyone is having trouble seeing the original clip.

Both shots are effectively in the same exact spot, and neither clips the wall. I've also included screenshots of the reticle the moment before shots were fired.

Longbow shot

Vantage shot

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Longbow shot

Vantage shot

@Asmodeus566 

> the one and only Vantage shot hit very much more to the right

Good eye, this is exactly my point. The vantage shot is further away yet strikes the target behind cover. The longbow shot missing is proof that the target is behind cover, and the vantage shot hitting despite being farther away is exactly my point.

@Collector321 

The dummy is not fully covered. They are so close to the edge of cover to basically be out of it, it is a hard shot to hit and bullet drop and size come into play. That is why the Vantage shot that is just a little more to the right drops enough with a bigger bullet to hit. 

In fact it looks like the dummies leg just might be slightly out of cover on the Vantage shot. 

@Asmodeus566

If the vantage bullet is big enough to hit a target which it misses by that wide of a gap, the bullet should be big enough to deflect off of the wall before it hits the target. The fact that the bullet isn't stopped by the wall is proof of what I'm saying.

Vantage's bullet appears to have a larger hitbox in relation to hitting players than it does in relation to hitting cover. This is why it can pass through a tiny narrow gap, but still hit a player behind cover. This is the principle problem being reported in this thread.

I understand that the large hitbox of the bullet is by design. I can understand her shots hitting like this in an open area. But in a situation like this, if the bullet is big enough to hit the dummy despite being well wide of the target, the bullet's size should cause it to be stopped by the wall before it reaches the dummy.

@Collector321 

The shot looks clean from what I can tell. 
if the dummy was completely under cover and not soo much on the edge/slightly out of cover I might agree with you but this is way to close to call foul.

in fact it looks like the hit is on the leg that just might be just out of cover (razors edge here).

@Asmodeus566 

Watch as the vantage shot is deflected by ally Wraith's hitbox despite missing her by a considerable margin. The next shot is fired significantly closer to the crate than the first shot was to Wraith, but does not deflect off of it. This is proof of what I'm saying about the behavior of the Vantage bullet. It behaves like a bowling ball in terms of hitting players, but like a normal bullet when it comes to hitting cover.

Look at the impact point of the bullet on the training dummy. This dummy is not at all exposed at the point where the bullet lands.

If this shot deflects off the wraith's hitbox, how is it possible for the second shot to sneak by the crate - unless what I'm saying is true?

@Collector321 

That looks like a lot of apples and oranges there, and picking what tastes better.

either way we are just going to have to disagree on this.

@Asmodeus566 

It seems like we will have to disagree, because the evidence clearly supports what I am saying, while you are disagreeing without any proof.

@Collector321 

Your first set of vids and pics including the close ups where all the proof I needed to come up with my evaluation of your claim, providing a different data point would not be looking at the same perameters.

I am  not dismissing your claim totally just stating with what you are providing it is all so on the razors edge that it is not a clear cut case that Vantage can hit people behind cover, as they may just be out of cover. Your pics not mine and like I say that bots leg looked just out of cover.

@Asmodeus566 

In other words, you do not have any explanation for the newest evidence, but you are choosing to maintain your position regardless. 

I will ask you again the same question I asked in my most recent post.

> Vantage's bullet behaves like a bowling ball in terms of hitting players, but like a normal bullet when it comes to hitting cover.

> If this shot deflects off the wraith's hitbox, how is it possible for the second shot not to deflect off the crate — unless what I'm saying is true?

@Collector321 

Either way I do have to say even though we will disagree on this topic. I had a very nice discussion with you about it and like I said if you think that strongly about it post it in the bug section. Maybe you are right and my eyes are deceiving me.

@Asmodeus566

Fair enough, I appreciate your criticism of the initial evidence as it led me to create a clearer follow-up post.

@Collector321 

no problem, I do know that weapons react differently vs Allie’s however I have not tested that stuff and the firing range has some unique qualities as per weapons and interactions. I read somewhere on the boards someone was claiming the bullets would richochet off of walls and such.