Do the Devs at apex need fresh ideas to try and tackle the rampant cheating problem? Or have they given up entirely? The reason i ask is because cheating in apex has been a problem for years now but seems worse than ever before. While it might be a difficult problem to solve i thought by now we might have some solutions. I can think of several effective solutions that would still allow cheaters to keep playing.
How do you spot a titan or a Cronus? Other devs and even some entire platforms have tried and, unless I misunderstood what happened, they walked back those measures in pretty quick order. First rule of anti-cheat is that you cannot have false positives. Ever. No dev wants that and they're willing to tolerate a shocking amount of actual cheating in order be certain that they never ban anyone who wasn't actually cheating.
Then you have the AI-driven aimbots. Also pretty hard, if not impossible, to distinguish from an actual player.
Then you have traditional pc cheats - aimbot, wall hack, macros, etc. - which I would have thought would be fairly easy to detect... and yet here we are.
And if there are going to be any false positives then they won't be happening to the likes of you and me. They'll be happening to the pros and the streamers. Who are the last people Respawn wants to cross. And then there are the whales. I don't actually believe any of the conspiracy theories that say if you spend enough money in the store then you will never get a ban no matter how egregious your cheating may be... but it isn't hard to understand why those theories abound.
I'd like to say this is all EA's fault for being cheap. And greedy. And that's certainly a part of the equation, but the truth is that the new technologies (to cheat) so far outstrip any ability to detect that I'm reasonably certain we all just have to accept this as the new normal. And honestly, if you're not bucking for master or predator, or maybe somewhere in diamond, then how much does any of this really affect you? I'm not saying that cheating is okay because it only screws over the highest ranks... but actually that is kinda what I'm saying. Yeah, I see people every once in a while who I'm sure are cheating. But I see people every single match who I'm sure are playing on a secondary, and that's a far more serious problem, imo, because it affects every single legitimate player in the game.
Enough of me. Please talk more about "I can think of several effective solutions that would still allow cheaters to keep playing."
How about an ai cheat detector? And also instead of banning players why dont we just put these cheaters in there own dedicated cheating lobby? If you dont ban them then they might not make smurfs.
I like this comment that you made “And honestly, if you're not bucking for master or predator, or maybe somewhere in diamond, then how much does any of this really affect you?” Because I am in the top 1% of skill im always being put against the cheating preds/ masters/ diamonds/ smurfs. I used to make masters every season but now its tough to push past D2 because all of the games that get stolen from me.
Are you aware of any developers or publishers who are trying to build an AI-driven anti-cheat?
Yes, you should look into it. A good amount of popular games use ai powered anti cheat.
They won't do it because it would turn out that a large portion of pros and streamers would get banned.
The only thing I could find at all was a YouTube about ACE, built by Tencent. And the video was sponsored by... wait for it... Tencent. And they said right out loud that, at least for now, the tech has a risk of false positives. I personally don't care if an algorithm accidentally bans a pro or two, or the entire class of streamers, but I can understand how that would be a negative in the eyes of EA.
It seems like a good idea. And I'm sure it will get better in the future. But I certainly couldn't find anything like what I would call "a good amount of games" that use it, or anything that makes me think it's ready for prime time. And to be honest, having watched the cheat industry evolve so rapidly over the last 20 years, I feel fairly confident that they'll adapt to anything AI can throw at them. I'd like to be wrong on that. I hope I am. Experience tells me I'm probably not.
Valorant, COD, rainbow six, counterstrike, pubg, and the finals all use ai anti cheat. I dont know why your having a hard time finding info on it.
I will look again! Thanks.
Today I encountered 3 opposing and 1 in my team... This is absurd...
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